If you had an all sleeping car train, could you model a prototypical train with three 8-1-2s behind the tender, two dining cars coupled kitchen end to kitchen end followed by three 12-1s? The only disadvantage I see would be the kitchen provision doors would be on opposite sides. John in Lansing, ILL.
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Dunno. You do know that SP had a triple unit diner? Three permanently coupled cars - two diners with a somewhat shorter kitchen in the middle?
rattler21 posted:If you had an all sleeping car train, could you model a prototypical train with three 8-1-2s behind the tender, two dining cars coupled kitchen end to kitchen end followed by three 12-1s? The only disadvantage I see would be the kitchen provision doors would be on opposite sides. John in Lansing, ILL.
Recall reading about some trains with two diners, maybe in one of the Dubin books?
If you had an all sleeping car train.
I can't recall any "all sleeping car trains" north of the border. There was always a coach someplace on the train. Were they run in the US? I can understand maybe a military train but not a public sleeping car train only. Interesting.
Think of all Pullman trains like the Century and Broadway for example 16 to 19 cars on average, any more second section necessary. these trains in early life had one diner later twin unit diners. On these trains their are usually a couple of different small kitchen buffets/bars in other cars making food service available in multiple locations.
It is your railroad you can do as you like. Always the best option.
Interesting topic. While on vacation in Europe in 2011, we took an overnight train from Paris to Padova, Italy. Surprisingly and to the great disappointment of my wife, there was no diner. Instead an attendant wheeled a coffee cart through the train.
In my limited research of dining cars for the PRR, I did not see any evidence of it using two stand alone dining cars back to back. One dining car with a palor car/buffee car was sometimes used on longer trains if a 2-car dining car set was not used.
That said, its your railroad so if you want two dining cars just do it.
Weren't the 20th Century Limited & the Super Chief all-sleeper? The Auto Train uses 2 (maybe 3?) dining cars (1 for sleeper, 1 or 2 for coach), plus occasionally lounge cars with half having tables served by the adjoining diner.
BobbyD posted:rattler21 posted:If you had an all sleeping car train, could you model a prototypical train with three 8-1-2s behind the tender, two dining cars coupled kitchen end to kitchen end followed by three 12-1s? The only disadvantage I see would be the kitchen provision doors would be on opposite sides. John in Lansing, ILL.
Recall reading about some trains with two diners, maybe in one of the Dubin books?
Hopefully a Santa Fe guy will confirm but I believe in 1958 when the Super Chief and El Capitan ran as a combined train they had two diners. One for the Super Chief passengers and the other for the coach (El Capitan) passengers.
Pete
Norton posted:Hopefully a Santa Fe guy will confirm but I believe in 1958 when the Super Chief and El Capitan ran as a combined train they had two diners. One for the Super Chief passengers and the other for the coach (El Capitan) passengers.
Pete
That is true. However, the el-cap was hi-level and SC was standard height so they were never run next to each other.
Norton posted:Hopefully a Santa Fe guy will confirm but I believe in 1958 when the Super Chief and El Capitan ran as a combined train they had two diners. One for the Super Chief passengers and the other for the coach (El Capitan) passengers.
Pete
YES, two diners.
Tom Taipalus posted:Norton posted:Hopefully a Santa Fe guy will confirm but I believe in 1958 when the Super Chief and El Capitan ran as a combined train they had two diners. One for the Super Chief passengers and the other for the coach (El Capitan) passengers.
Pete
That is true. However, the el-cap was hi-level and SC was standard height so they were never run next to each other.
The El Cap diner was for the coach passenger, and the regular diner was for the sleepers. This was used on Amtrak 3/4 after it took over.
The SP Daylight was articulated diner-kitchen-diner
In the summer tourist season I think the VIA Canadian uses two diners.and a grill car for coach. I have only been on board in the off season when they have one diner and one grill car.
Clem
"By Streamliner New York to Florida" by Joseph M. Welsh, page 101, ACL FLORIDA SPECIAL:
6-3 sleeper
12-1 sleeper
12-1 sleeper
12-1 sleeper
10-1-2 sleeper
10-1-2 sleeper
3-1 lounge
8-1-3 sleeper
10-2 sleeper
8-1-2 sleeper
10-1-2 sleeper
diner - from Washington to Miami
diner - from Jacksonville to Tampa
diner - from Jacksonville to St. Petersburg
There are numerous other consists mentioned in the book with more than 1 diner.
I get the 1, 2, and even 3 sleepers, but 8, 10, or 12? That's pretty crowded! 
Third class. And no scrapple in either diner
From what I have heard, some troop trains had two diners to feed the enlisted men quickly.
Norton posted:Hopefully a Santa Fe guy will confirm but I believe in 1958 when the Super Chief and El Capitan ran as a combined train they had two diners. One for the Super Chief passengers and the other for the coach (El Capitan) passengers.
Pete
And now for some luxury travel,
Sampled on March 17, 1938 on the Westbound train #25 leaving NYC, “the 20th Century Limited″:
Woodshire Bill posted:And now for some luxury travel,
Sampled on March 17, 1938 on the Westbound train #25 leaving NYC, “the 20th Century Limited″:
Class T3A Electric Locomotive
MP Postal Car: NYC #4857CS Baggage Club: NYC Van TwillerPS Sleeper 8 section, 1 drawing,, 2 compartment: CentacorraPS Sleeper 6 section, 6 double bedroom: Poplar ParkPS Sleeper 6 section, 6 double bedroom: Poplar HighlandsPS Sleeper 6 compartment, 3 drawing room: Glen AnnaDA Dining Room: #654
DA Dining Room: #655
PS Sleeper 6 section, 6 double bedroom: Poplar GrovePS Sleeper 13 double Bedroom: Macomb HousePS Sleeper 13 double bedroom: Pringle HousePSO Sleeper-Buffet-Lounge-Observation: Elkart Valley
Today our luxury train:
GGD REA express reefer
GGD undecorated baggage car
3rd Rail Pullman 12-1 Alazon
GGD Santa Fe 12-1 St. Alexis
Lionel Jonathon
3rd Rail Pullman dining car #3
GGD Santa Fe dining car #1460
3rd Rail Pullman 8-1-2 Fairmont Park
Williams observation car Lake Louise
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