Just stopped by my LHS and took a quick look, as I didn't have much time, at the new catalog. A new Legacy Pacific in 6 roadnames, heavyweight passenger hospital cars, some new tankcars W/O platforms, annual Christmas cars, one with music and reruns of the previous heavyweights and EP5's. Probably to get additional orders. A few anniversary offerings and some additional things that I didn't pay much attention to.
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@richabr posted:Just stopped by my LHS and took a quick look, as I didn't have much time, at the new catalog. A new Legacy Pacific in 6 roadnames, heavyweight passenger hospital cars, some new tankcars W/O platforms, annual Christmas cars, one with music and reruns of the previous heavyweights and EP5's. Probably to get additional orders. A few anniversary offerings and some additional things that I didn't pay much attention to.
New Haven EP5’s? Are they Legacy or traditional?
@richabr posted:A few anniversary offerings and some additional things that I didn't pay much attention to.
Were things that bad then?
Please tell us more about the Pacifics!! What was the prototype for the engine? Could it have been a remake of the K5??
Sounds like the "boundless journey" has boundaries...
I guess they finally found the tooling for the Pacific's. Which would be a good thing.
Rusty
P.S. The subject line should mention Flyer or S so as not to confuse our O Gauge buddies.
@Rusty Traque posted:I guess they finally found the tooling for the Pacific's. Which would be a good thing.
They were keeping it hidden all these years so that they could re-introduce it especially for the 75th anniversary and hope people didn’t know it existed.
I wonder whose Pacific shows up first American Models or Flyonel? I have two on order and AM will put any road name on em you want. What was the MSRP on the flyer?
Gunny
@gunny posted:I wonder whose Pacific shows up first American Models or Flyonel? I have two on order and AM will put any road name on em you want. What was the MSRP on the flyer?
Gunny
Probably Lionel. The rumor mill indicated AM's having trouble with their die-caster and it's already 3 years late, which is rare for AM.
Rusty
@Ukaflyer posted:They were keeping it hidden all these years so that they could re-introduce it especially for the 75th anniversary and hope people didn’t know it existed.
Well, I have a Chicago and Alton set and a B&O USRA Pacific (assuming that is the loco we are talking about) like Rusty's. Being TMCC fitted with Seuthe smoke units, I am absolutely sure that my previously purchased ones are technically superseded by a new Legacy Pacific. But, owning two samples of the previous engine takes the shine off of the reissues for me. Maybe, one will be able to obtain parts for a partial upgrade of the older Pacific (and Mikado) steamers. I shall look at the new catalog with interest.
Bob
If I remember right the Flyer Legacy pacific MSRP was $599 although I may be "misremembering."
Didn't check if the EP5's were Legacy, I assumed they were Flyerchief as before.
As soon as I saw Pacific, my first thought was "I hope they changed out the sleuth unit." I'm not an expert on pacific variations but it sure looked like the TMCC version. B&O was one of the offerings.
Catalog had a lot of items, just nothing that rang my bell as I glanced at it.
@Bob Bubeck posted:Well, I have a Chicago and Alton set and a B&O USRA Pacific (assuming that is the loco we are talking about) like Rusty's. Being TMCC fitted with Seuthe smoke units, I am absolutely sure that my previously purchased ones are technically superseded by a new Legacy Pacific. But, owning two samples of the previous engine takes the shine off of the reissues for me. Maybe, one will be able to obtain parts for a partial upgrade of the older Pacific (and Mikado) steamers. I shall look at the new catalog with interest.
Bob
I have a Mikado with a failed Seuthe smoke unit. Still a very nice engine and I can live without the smoke, it wasn’t that impressive when it did work. Not sure if the 50/60 Hz was a problem as the sound is all screwed up as well, known problem at the time.
I have a Mikado with a failed Seuthe smoke unit. Still a very nice engine and I can live without the smoke, it wasn’t that impressive when it did work. Not sure if the 50/60 Hz was a problem as the sound is all screwed up as well, known problem at the time
Hopefully they squeezed one of currently used units into the smaller shell.
@richabr posted:If I remember right the Flyer Legacy pacific MSRP was $599 although I may be "misremembering."
Interesting, they MSRP'd at $649.99 back in 2008.
Rusty
I am still confused. Is that photo from the new catalog or of an old engine? Can anybody confirm it is the old tooling or did they make new.
I was emailing about the Pacific with Ryan Kunkle today after the first notice here and he said he would not comment till the catalog was released.
Interesting, they MSRP'd at $649.99 back in 2008
Hopefully I didn't misremember.
Thought I would remember when I left the store but after the long drive home and household BS, 
I am still confused. Is that photo from the new catalog or of an old engine? Can anybody confirm it is the old tooling or did they make new
It's not really a photo, it's the type of images used in all the catalogs. Difficult to tell without an actual comparison of catalogs.
It is this engine pictured below. It is a "light" Pacific #6-48061, from the Lionel 2008 Vol.2 catalog. Catalog price was $649.99. These are TMCC with Seuthe smoke units. Go to Carl Tuvesons web site, he has an off the shelf mod to retrofit an MTH fan driven smoke unit, 4 chuffs/revolution and cruise control. These are very nice engines, equal in detail to the Y-3. This and the Mikado were made from all new tooling. There has not been a Legacy pacific made to date.
@richabr posted:I am still confused. Is that photo from the new catalog or of an old engine? Can anybody confirm it is the old tooling or did they make new
It's not really a photo, it's the type of images used in all the catalogs. Difficult to tell without an actual comparison of catalogs.
Lionel in the past used images of the O Gauge version with the third rail photoshopped out or Flyer track photoshopped in...
I can wait a week. They're not going to be produced any faster because of a catalog leak.
Rusty
Here is a picture of 5213 on my turntable. I have one of all the cataloged TMCC Pacifics and Mikados, all modified by Carl Tuveson.
I did not realize the tooling for these engines was "lost." It would be nice if these engines were re-released with Legacy, elctrocouplers, fan driven smoke etc.
@AmFlyer posted:I did not realize the tooling for these engines was "lost." It would be nice if these engines were re-released with Legacy, elctrocouplers, fan driven smoke etc.
That was the explanation given when a Southern passenger set with the Pacific was cancelled about 10-12 years ago.
Rusty
Thanks, I always learn something new.
I have the AM Southern Crescent passenger set pulled by the AM Pacific. Probably do not need a second Southern set at this point. However I will buy any new Legacy steam engines made.
These are nice engines, now I am excited to see the catalog.
Here are two pictures. One shows the engine pulling away from a station, fan driven smoke makes a major difference. The other one is the NYC (it is the Mikado version) sitting in front of a Santa Fe Y-3. The detailing is excellent on these engines from 15 years ago.
If this is correct (And I have no reason to believe it is not), what a disappointment. No new tooling. No bringing back a Gilbert item from the past or even one they were going to build and didn’t.
I expected something really special for the 75th.
sigh
—Rocco—
Besides the list on the top of this thread there is a big 75th Anniversary set with a Pacific Legacy engine. The list price is well over $1,000 (Maybe $1,400). I don’t know how many cars are in the set.
—Rocco—
@Rocco posted:If this is correct (And I have no reason to believe it is not), what a disappointment. No new tooling. No bringing back a Gilbert item from the past or even one they were going to build and didn’t.
I expected something really special for the 75th.
sigh
—Rocco—
I was hoping for a reissue of the 933 boxcar with a big 75 on the side...
Tom Stoltz
in Maine
I was hoping for a reissue of the 933 boxcar with a big 75 on the side...
There is an anniversary gold colored boxcar if that floats your boat.
@Rocco posted:If this is correct (And I have no reason to believe it is not), what a disappointment. No new tooling. No bringing back a Gilbert item from the past or even one they were going to build and didn’t.
I expected something really special for the 75th.
sigh
—Rocco—
I don't think the current regime is well versed in A. C. Gilbert lore.
Rusty
Link American Flyer catalog video HO and S Gauge: https://youtu.be/YcwCFy3w1bk start at 2.22
Nice video. I will be buying the new legacy Pacific. Overall not bad. They seen to be focusing on what sells.
$699 on the Legacy Pacific; did the scale Mikado use the same shell as the Pacific?
749 for the john bull set, pretty cool
The Legacy Pacifics in the new catalog are completely different than the TMCC Pacifics from the 2005 timeframe.
I believe the basic shell of the TMCC Pacifics is the same as the shell for the TMCC Light Mikados.
Flyer starts around 2 min 27 seconds. Guy presenting doesn't have a clue.
The "boundless journey" definitely has boundaries.
Rusty
@Rusty Traque posted:Yep, although it was the other way around as the Mikado came out first.
Rusty
The Berkshire/Pacific/most likely the Mikado down the road are some positives for S scale folks. I have doubts that Lionel will revive the old Flyer Hudson and K-5 which are NYC and PRR specific. The USRA steam engines can be painted for a large number of roads without having to go fantasy. With tooling so expensive my hunch is if Lionel produces more S gauge steam it will be scale sized capable of navigating Gilbert sized curves. A scale version of the USRA 0-6-0 or 0-8-0 (hello Nickel Plate Road!) are a couple more steam locomotives that a lot of railroads owned.
@MTN posted:The USRA steam engines can be painted for a large number of roads without having to go fantasy.
Oddly enough, they are fantasy paint schemes. (But at least they're not outrageously painted...) Only the Atlantic Coast Line, Baltimore & Ohio and Louisville & Nashville bought USRA Light Pacific's. Only other roads that bought what are known as "copies," purchased after the USRA was dissolved, were the Grand Trunk Western and Mobile and Ohio (merged later into the GM&O.)
No other roads bought USRA Light Pacific's or copies.
Now, the USRA Light Mikado: That was a locomotive purchased by a pretty good number of railroads.
Rusty
I have the Blue Comet set and that is a beautiful pacific and train. 
@AmFlyer posted:The Legacy Pacifics in the new catalog are completely different than the TMCC Pacifics from the 2005 timeframe.
Sorry Tom. The Legacy Pacific's are the same as the earlier Pacific's, but with Legacy added.
Rusty
Good news if they are, but the catalog illustrations in that video made the New Legacy Pacifics look much less detailed.
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