Greetings my railroad friends. I have for me a real puzzler on a 2046 tender. Today I went into my archives of Lionel of post war trains that have been stored for quite some time. I started with a 665 engine and 2046 tender which were hardly ever used. I took engine apart and cleaned, oiled, lubed all that should be done and engine ran as if from the the factory. I also did the same with the 2046 tender. Observation and puzzler---when tender is alone on layout track or even with engine in neutral and powered the whistle is unbelievable and works great....HOWEVER when I run the engine and tender either alone or with lighted passenger cars the whistle does not whistle. If train stopped in neutral as I said the whistle works perfectly. The whistle relay works fine as it should but never in all my years have I had something like this occur. More frustrating than anything. I serviced the tender as I did the engine so it is and should be in great working order which it is IF in neutral and whistle activated. I even tried it with other engines and same thing. For power I use a post war ZW .....any simple ideas or easy fixes? Puzzler is as I mentioned when stationary it works perfectly and loud----rollers and solder points and wires are like new. Thanks for any thoughts.
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Try another transformer. Sometimes the whistle controller may not be operating properly under load. Alternatively, try the other throttle of the ZW.
Not enough current. As the man said, try a different transformer.
A 3rd for transformer.
"HOWEVER when I run the engine and tender either alone or with lighted passenger cars the whistle does not whistle."
It should get more power to it without the lights in the passenger cars??
John
Weak pick up roller springs.
I agree with Chuck, look at the tender, not the transformer. Weak pickup springs, dirty whistle relay contacts, good grounding etc...
I’ve also had this situation with other PW engines. Perhaps some power drops would help.
Thanks for the replies and ideas! I have tried two other ZW's I have and same result ----but perhaps the pickup springs and or ground etc may be the issue. I believe to frustrate me Santa's elves purposely let this one out of the shop knowing it had a minor problem and called it good. Have to leave it alone for a few days----as I originally mentioned both engine and tender were LN plus plus plus and I did full range of maintenance----Thanks again and will post if I find a solution that solves puzzler.
Short circuits from the tender derailing through track switches and like will weaken the tension on the spring. The spring may look intact but does not have sufficient pressure when rolling and needed as the whistle motor draws a lot of power.
Alanrail, He IS talking about the 'days' with a 665 and 2046 tender!
Eureka moment! Thanks to your replies I figured out my puzzler----Weak pick up springs!!!! Yes the springs look okay and as I mentioned tender is Ln plus plus plus.....however upon further investigation and looking at a few of my other tenders the springs on this one do not give much pressure on roller assemblies as they should. I improvised a test and when I ran the engine and tender with the whistle blew as it should when the train was running. I have ordered new roller springs and will address that adventure when they come.....Thanks again ---we are all fortunate "parts" are available for our repairs---a friend of mine has tons of parts (but not these springs) and always mentions to me if I need a part he has parts for parts! Happy Holidays and a Happy Healthy New Year to all.
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