I am rebuilding a 3659 dump car that does not have electric couplers. I assumed that they had been removed at some point, but further detailed examination leads me to think that the trucks never had the coupler coil. The center tube that supports the coil is in place - which is odd, because it would have to be removed to remove the coil. Nothing appears to have been disturbed, and if the coils were removed, why put the support tube back? The pictures show the tabs that would have to be straightened out to remove the tube. If I were going to remove the coils, I would pull out the upright pieces that support the coil. The box couplers are the late type. As far as I know, cars without electric couplers did not have the coil support. Did this come with an inexpensive uncatalogued set, or was it possibly made near the end of train production in 1942 and coupler coils were not available?
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My guess is that may be a 'Madison" car. Made from parts from Madison Hardware during the war to have some Lionel to sell.
I had not thought of that. It seems odd that the operating car pickup assembly would be produced at all without the coil - especially as a replacement part. Would Madison have had this type of part?
Madison had everything that could be had. ... everything. They literally assembled cars and accessories from their spare part supplies.....many many cars.
I agree with the Madison possibility, but where else were unwound coils ever used? It is very interesting. I've seen stories about a 1660 crane, ie manual couplers as well so It certainly is possible. Note that is a 1940 only truck (in the event it actually did come from the factory that way.
Thanks again for the input! It makes a little more sense, but I am also wondering about the unwound coils. The journal boxes were originally black, I polished them. That may mean the trucks were made between 1940 and 1942.
correct, the high coupler simulated knuckle is 1940 only at least for the catalog. 39 had the two bars and a different design for the coil assembly and 41/42 was a shorter lower version
Thanks Dennis. I guess this is the lower, shorter one. I think the journals on this log car were originally black also.