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Being a business owner and having developed several concepts into products in my career, the strategy of businesses is something that interests me. Having now been back into Lionel trains for a few months after a 30 year absence and the birth of my son, I’ve done some reflecting about Lionel as a company, its direction, and ways it could perhaps grow in the future.  As I see it Lionel has a challenging situation, as I see them trying to address three distinct markets:

  1. Higher-end collectors, with both the interest and means to regularly spend significant money on high-quality pieces with sophisticated electronics. My guess is that this is their most predictable and highest-margin market, the one that’s enabled them to become a going concern again, and therefore one that cannot be ignored. However, it is a not one that is a high-growth market as it does little to bring new customers into model railroading for future sales. Also, judging by some of the comments in this forum this market may be showing signs of being “collected out”.
  2. Post-War nostalgics who, like myself, are interested primarily in maintaining and building slowly upon their existing conventional layouts with occasional new purchases. This is a very sizable market albeit a very low sales-per-customer market – but one that cannot be ignored lest they disenfranchise vast quantities of consumers who hold PW Lionel dear to their hearts. This too is not a high-growth market as it depends upon existing customers. Also, the glut of product that was sold over the past century and now trades used on eBay makes it unlikely to ever be significant of its own accord.
  3. New to model railroading consumers, which are coming into model railroading without any experience in it. This potential market is very large and represents huge growth potential, but it is the one that competes with all other hobbies and forms of entertainment across both the “child/toy” and “adult/hobby” segments. This is where RTR sets and lower-priced items are aimed, and if Lionel (and perhaps the hobby in general) wants to substantially grow this is the market that would have to be cracked in a meaningful way.

This third market is the one that I’ve thought about most, and so I tried to find another company that might have been in a similar situation and found success. I believe that company to be LEGO. Think about the similarities between the Lionel and LEGO of 20 years ago:

  • Both were companies with a long history and beloved brands, but rather straight-forward products in an approaching age of computerization, sophistication of toys, and explosion of options for consumers.
  • Both had modest growth outlooks that depending mostly on those already familiar with their products.

 

LEGO did something risky and radical – they put a lot of effort behind a succession of products that evolved into MindStorms. This made LEGO both electrical (something Lionel obviously doesn’t have to do) & more importantly expandable and programmable. And this is the genesis for my hypothesis on a strategic direction that would allow Lionel to compete effectively not only MindStorms, but also drones, robotics kits, and more.

What if Lionel made a series of engines, cars, operating accessories, and more whose primary and overriding design objective was to be as easily expandable and programmable as practical?

Let’s explore these two design goals:

Easily Expandable

What if these products came with simple “snap into” power and control busses to which a variety of sensors, audio/sound units, lighting units, drive motors, servo motors, video cameras, and the like could be connected in standardized ways? What if engines and cars came with a frame to which such components could be easily attached and removed ala LEGOs? What if products came with removable shell pieces that could be taken on and off as needed to provide external access or openings for these items? Kids could build their own hybrid engines, cars and accessories from Lionel components or from an aftermarket of pieces that would likely spring to life. There’s already plenty of this that goes on in model railroading as people alter or kitbash things, but that takes a level of skill and dedication that few adults (and fewer children) possess. Put simply, what if we made radical kitbashing standardized and approachable for the mass market, just as LEGO has done for building robots? Such products might not be particularly authentic - but they’d offer a heck of a lot of fun.

Easily Programmable

What if each electromechanical component of engines, cars, and operating accessories (and any expansions added to them) could be easily controlled via a simply programming language paradigm? I’m not talking about CAB-based TMCC/Legacy-style control “programming”, but something much more flexible that can utilize sensor feedback, use IF-THEN-ELSE type logic, and more. I know that the TMCC command set is published, but creating something practical with that information isn’t within the reach or desire of nearly any child and the vast majority of even technology-savvy adults (myself included, an IT professional). What if Lionel offered a software tool that allowed each component in a layout the ability to be easily discovered, referenced, and incorporated into a program that the consumer could create and then run (or have triggered when something occurs)? In the past few years there have been many excellent initiatives to introduce children to coding (visit code.org for one of the biggest). The success of the Raspberry Pi and Arduino platforms in the toy/hobby market has shown there is now a sizeable market for this type of product which probably didn’t exist 10 years ago. And Lionel has something other hobbies don’t have: an existing, big, physical ecosystem of products that such programming could be made to control. What’s more attractive to a child: building a robot that runs aimlessly around the floor, or controlling a large consist that interacts with accessories in a manner they specified? What’s more approachable for a child: trying to fly a drone outdoors (weather and FAA regulations permitting), or running a train 365 days a year on their living room floor?

I do not underestimate the level of resources that would be necessary to implement such a new paradigm– much less market, distribute, and support it. However, Lionel has a set of significant advantages that could be leveraged:

  • The shift to a digital control paradigm has already taken place over the last 20 years. The technology for constant power supply, digital control communication, and individually addressable components already exists in the TMCC and Legacy platforms.
  • Lionel already has the supply chain relationships necessary to manufacture these types of products.
  • Lionel has a brand that carries weight in the consumer marketplace.
  • Lionel has a nationwide network of dealers and wouldn’t be burdened with building one from scratch.

 

Of course, there’s more to LEGO’s success than Mindstorms. They’ve been very effective in their brand marketing by creating sets that tie into architecture, movies, and more. They’ve built upon that to create video games, shows, and even a movie. They have brand ambassadors that spread the word in influential venues such as the SXSW festival. But these didn’t come all at once; they slowly built one success upon another over years to create a juggernaut that is now unrivaled in the toy industry. Lionel can afford to play the long game, but any long game must start with a long-term direction. Who knows? Perhaps Lionel and LEGO could partner on such a platform, further enhancing both brands in the process.

I won’t pretend to tell the executives at Lionel how to run their business. But I do offer this as an open letter to them and other train enthusiasts as the start of a conversation – one that could perhaps lead to a wider-spread love by children and adults of trains in general, and Lionel in specific, which would rival the Post-War era.

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Nice ideas, very positive.
The Lego Mindstorms sounds nice. Imaging a basic set is sold with plug and play add on's, such as a smoke unit module, train sound module, whistle and bell modules, rolling stock sound modules and programmable crew talk module where a young person can push a button and record his or her voice such as "All Aboard" or what ever. Or a programmable station stop, water tank fill and speed control module. Lionel could offer these trains as "Make it your way" expanding sales before and after the Holiday season.
There was a lot of good ideas in your post and hopefully someone in one of the train manufacturer business meetings may bring it up. Thank you

RonH posted:

 Imaging a basic set is sold with plug and play add on's, such as a smoke unit module, train sound module, whistle and bell modules, rolling stock sound modules and programmable crew talk module where a young person can push a button and record his or her voice such as "All Aboard" or what ever. Or a programmable station stop, water tank fill and speed control module. Lionel could offer these trains as "Make it your way" expanding sales before and after the Holiday season.
There was a lot of good ideas in your post and hopefully someone in one of the train manufacturer business meetings may bring it up. Thank you

RonH: Thank you for the kind words. Some good thoughts – you’re smellin’ what I’m cookin’! 8-) Your comments also made me think about another couple of advantages in such a strategy:

  1. By breaking down the components that are “standard” in most even entry-level sets, you can leave some of them off the initial unit and thereby reduce its price. An entry-level engine perhaps only comes with the motor and a headlight. If you want smoke, no problem - buy the $30 smoke module later and pop it in. Want sounds? Great – save up a little money and put in a $50 sound module. Or the $75 one that allows you to record your own voice. With the initial purchase price being lower, more people can get into the experience of running trains and then, once there, their imaginations will drive the future sales.
  2. A more piecemeal approach would encourage more frequent (albeit smaller) purchases. And more frequent purchases helps to sustain interest in a toy or hobby.  What we call "incremental commitment" in sales.
  3. A more piecemeal approach would also allow for more frequent, smaller product releases. Instead of a “big bang” catalog once a year, Lionel could release a new module every couple of months. Again, sustaining continued interest – I think Menards’ new approach of releasing something every month or so is a great one, and judging by the comments on the “teaser” threads I’m apparently not alone.

Well said JTrains.

I would simply add to bad Lionel doesn't have compatibility  with DCC boards that are plug and play and work from Z scale to G scale. DCC plug and play would cost about $39-$49  dollars for a plug in or drop in board no Masters in Electrical Engineering required.  Just my opinion.

All train manufacturers need to somehow get the younger generation into trains, that's a big task but they are trying with wifi and LC+ sets, blue tooth Bachmann etc.. modern approaches to toy train fun.

 

Lionel for years have made money on the collector market.  Appealing to history of previously released trains and their modern BTO scale locomotives. The strategy is make a few, keep the residual prices up for the dealers and set the bar for newly released product. Even their catalogs have become sought after by collectors.

They have done well. Unfortunately until they started to re-release items with upgraded electronics and raising the price.

They are pricing themselves out of the market.  If you are going to keep the collect ability market going then you need to tool up new locomotives, rolling stock, and accessories, and keep the "desire" alive.

That being said; to enter this market of kit building is something they do not want. Setting up dies for older parts, servicing locomotives older than 5 years. Making un-decorated cars, having the latest electronics available for plug and play, making kits, and interchangeability. This has NO business case in a collector market world, and even in a Toy market. 

Balley's pinball machines use to follow the same practice. And they have a finite end to the mechanisms and electronics.  The target was 5 years. They purposely do not release many parts, so the consumer will discard and buy new.

In basic concept I totally agree. In addition, Lionel could learn a few things from the folks at the LEGO Corp. First, stick yourselves into the major malls around the country with "company stores" and end this ridiculous dealer network that is broken and very antiquated.  Next, build things that relate to what people what. News flash - most of them don't want gimicky crap. They what nice dependable "black steam engines" that can run around the tree at Christmas and then get stored the rest of the time. The few that do want gimicky crap, you should at least build what they want. News flash number 2 - most of them don't want MLB or NASCAR. Example, why Lionel did't do a Star Wars themed set this Christmas is astonishing. They could have had a futuristic looking "steampunk" engine and a few cars. A mint car with Darth Vader's funeral pier, a flat car with Atikin's pod racer, or a boxcar of lightsabers destined to for the rebel alliance. The possibilities are endless. LEGO also has a dealer network that allows dealers to buy direct from LEGO in bulk and then sell by the piece to the public. This would allow the dealer network to continue and dealers could tailor their offerings to their market and most importantly, they could get out of brick and mortar stores if they want.

TimDude posted:

In basic concept I totally agree. In addition, Lionel could learn a few things from the folks at the LEGO Corp. First, stick yourselves into the major malls around the country with "company stores" and end this ridiculous dealer network that is broken and very antiquated.  Next, build things that relate to what people what. News flash - most of them don't want gimicky crap. They what nice dependable "black steam engines" that can run around the tree at Christmas and then get stored the rest of the time. The few that do want gimicky crap, you should at least build what they want. News flash number 2 - most of them don't want MLB or NASCAR. Example, why Lionel did't do a Star Wars themed set this Christmas is astonishing. They could have had a futuristic looking "steampunk" engine and a few cars. A mint car with Darth Vader's funeral pier, a flat car with Atikin's pod racer, or a boxcar of lightsabers destined to for the rebel alliance. The possibilities are endless. LEGO also has a dealer network that allows dealers to buy direct from LEGO in bulk and then sell by the piece to the public. This would allow the dealer network to continue and dealers could tailor their offerings to their market and most importantly, they could get out of brick and mortar stores if they want.

Not going to happen for allot of reasons. 50% of malls will be closed in 10 years. In upscale malls in the USA the cost is too high. They found that out in New York. 

As far as Star Wars go the licensing fees are just too high for a company of Lionel's size.

There is nothing wrong with dealer network that a couple of tweaks could not fix.

LEGO already makes trains, as you may know.    Would be reinventing the wheel to some extent.  And LEGOs, even the Mindstorm sets is notably cheaper thanks to the economies of scale and simplicity of what they do.   LEGO addresses the age 3-12 market which is the LionChief niche.  The modular idea is an interesting one that might be doable without horrendous investments in initial tooling, and I would think would interest them.  I wonder they wouldn't partner with LEGO to start?

J Daddy posted:

Lionel for years have made money on the collector market.  Appealing to history of previously released trains and their modern BTO scale locomotives. The strategy is make a few, keep the residual prices up for the dealers and set the bar for newly released product. Even their catalogs have become sought after by collectors.

They have done well. Unfortunately until they started to re-release items with upgraded electronics and raising the price.

They are pricing themselves out of the market.  If you are going to keep the collect ability market going then you need to tool up new locomotives, rolling stock, and accessories, and keep the "desire" alive.

That being said; to enter this market of kit building is something they do not want. Setting up dies for older parts, servicing locomotives older than 5 years. Making un-decorated cars, having the latest electronics available for plug and play, making kits, and interchangeability. This has NO business case in a collector market world, and even in a Toy market. 

Thank you for your thoughts.  I agree that per my "market #1" Lionel (and I think most of the model train industry over the past 25 years) has had whatever level of success they have enjoyed (which, judging by the number of closed manufacturers, is modest) by appealing to the collector market.  That was a great way to pick themselves back off the floor so to speak from the horrible position the found themselves in by 1990, but it's a stagnant market.  I personally don't know of anyone who, with no attachment to model railroading earlier in their life, suddenly became a consumer of these high-end products as an adult.   I would suggest this isn't going to change - and even retooling for better collector pieces, while perhaps necessary to continue to meet the expectations of this market, won't fundamentally alter Lionel's trajectory past 2025 as those with strong emotional bonds to the hobby from the 1940s and 1950s leave the market.

You may be right - Lionel may not want to move to an additional product paradigm, anymore than it perhaps didn't want to move to digital control 20 years ago.  New product platforms are risky and expensive.  However, I'd hazard a guess that we wouldn't even be talking about Lionel as a going concern today if they had not.  If Lionel wants a future as something other than a slowly-declining-over-time niche collector & PW enthusiast company, they will need to do something for the mass market - and, if we're honest, LC/LC+ RTR sets aren't ever going to move the number of units to new consumers that put it on solid long-term footing for the 21st century. Collectors probably don't want what I've proposed - but perhaps the mass market does, and the business case lies there.

Landsteiner posted:

LEGO already makes trains, as you may know.    Would be reinventing the wheel to some extent.  And LEGOs, even the Mindstorm sets is notably cheaper thanks to the economies of scale and simplicity of what they do.   LEGO addresses the age 3-12 market which is the LionChief niche.  The modular idea is an interesting one that might be doable without horrendous investments in initial tooling, and I would think would interest them.  I wonder they wouldn't partner with LEGO to start?

LEGO does indeed make trains - but they are very modest, even by toy standards.   That's why I think Lionel has an opportunity to seize a market if they want.  I agree that much of Lionel's heavy product development lifting is likely already done.  From my simplistic view, here's what would need to still be done:

1) Create a flexible frame/chassis and shell architecture

2) Create a common "power bus module" component and associated connector approach

3) Create a common "control bus module" component and associated connector approach

4) Enhance the LCS software to add in a visual programming interface

5) Retrofit some of the items we think of as "parts" today into "modules" that work with #1-4

6) Re-develop one engine and a couple of accessories into the new paradigm.

7) Start selling them!

8) Repeat #5-7 for the next 20 years.

I also agree 100% - a LEGO/Lionel partnership/JV would be quite intriguing.  The "Double L Toy Co."?!?

handyandy posted:

How much of LEGO's bottom line comes from the high end Mindstorm sets vs the more basic sets? I see lots more kids playing with the regular sets than with the higher end robotics and stuff.

An excellent question.  Given how large and diverse LEGO has become, my guess it that it's certainly not their main profit driver.  Personally, before my son was born I would have thought that these types of toys (and I'm talking drones, robotics kits, etc.) wouldn't have been a big market.  But in the last couple of years I'm now coming to see perhaps a generational shift occurring where those kids who are inquisitive and hands-on want to build and control actual things - not just made-up worlds in a video game.  I may well be biased - but even if the "mass market" I alluded to is really only some fraction of the kids out there, it's a heckuvalot bigger than the number of kids getting a LC/LC+ RTR set today.

The modular locomotive idea is very interesting, but it would require a complete rethinking of how the trains are put together. Every time I take apart a China-built Lionel, I think to myself: "This was clearly designed by someone for whom labor costs were not an important consideration." So many parts, held together by so many tiny screws. It really is amazing how few internal parts a postwar loco contained.

(The only truly modular locomotives that I know of were the prewar Dorfan products. Lionel had the Bild-A-Loco motor, but I never got the impression that that was meant to be taken back apart once it was assembled--I'm willing to be corrected, though. Children were encouraged to take the Dorfans apart and put them back together, but whether Dorfan ever marketed parts from better engines as upgrades for the cheaper ones, I don't know. I did have a Dorfan open and back together once. That was a pain in the tender, for sure!)

What could be implemented without retooling the entire line would be a series of plug-and-play electronics packages. Pop the shell off the tender and plug in a module to make the engine do something new. There could be "receive" modules which could be plugged into switches, and which would respond to "send" modules in the tender to allow automatic routing. Similar send and receive pairs could work with insulated tracks (for auto-stops at stations and accessories), allowing a degree of command-like operation in a conventional or LC environment. This could be implemented without any coding on the user's part, too -- though, as the OP pointed out, for the next generation, requiring/permitting coding might be a positive rather than a negative.

Really, a system like this would allow the consumer to create a "magical" autonomously-operating layout--the sort which has long been possible in non-command environments using relays, blocks, insulated rails, etc. But now, it would be created on the living room floor, without a permanent setup or a lot of wiring, and it could be changed at will. Perhaps that would involve some simple coding, or perhaps it would be a matter of simply unplugging the modules and putting them back in a different order.

The kid in me is really, really excited by this! He wants to be lying on the carpet at mom and dad's right now, with a programmable loco and bunch of Fastrack to put together, and take apart, and put together again differently!

nickaix posted:

The modular locomotive idea is very interesting, but it would require a complete rethinking of how the trains are put together. Every time I take apart a China-built Lionel, I think to myself: "This was clearly designed by someone for whom labor costs were not an important consideration." So many parts, held together by so many tiny screws. It really is amazing how few internal parts

Really, a system like this would allow the consumer to create a "magical" autonomously-operating layout--the sort which has long been possible in non-command environments using relays, blocks, insulated rails, etc. But now, it would be created on the living room floor, without a permanent setup or a lot of wiring, and it could be changed at will. Perhaps that would involve some simple coding, or perhaps it would be a matter of simply unplugging the modules and putting them back in a different order.

The kid in me is really, really excited by this! He wants to be lying on the carpet at mom and dad's right now, with a programmable loco and bunch of Fastrack to put together, and take apart, and put together again differently!

You're 100% right - it would take a significant mindshift in product development goals to simplify back the internals of today's products.  However, as I look at the chassis of a circa 1980 U36B and see 80% available space, we can say with some certainty that it is doable if that is determined to be a goal!

I hadn't really thought about the "autonomous" aspect of my proposed approach - but I think you are on to something.   How cool would a layout be that could (mostly) run itself and didn't require a B.S. in compsci (even though I do have a one of those...) to do so?  Thinking more "robot" than "remote control".  I think the kid in a lot of us would find this a lot of fun.

One other thing that is in Lionel's "things already accomplished" favor, which I hadn't really connected to my approach, is FasTrack.  While I'm a PW tubular guy myself and cringe at some of the FasTrack prices, having a nice, modular, modern-looking "ready to run" track paradigm ready to go takes away another potential objection that new consumers might have. 

I really think Lionel has much of the tough work already done.  Perhaps Lionel should create a few prototype pieces, take them to some large retailers' buyers and toy industry shows, and see what their feedback is from the mass consumer perspective.

And if not, perhaps the folks at Mernards could take a crack at it since they would already own the distribution channel!

TimDude posted:
Dominic Mazoch posted:

The parts bins in the back of the LEGO stores also has great things for car loads and for scenery.

Oh' yes. I have bucket fulls of their little rubber tires. Both the normal ones and the fat ones that will go on my race track scene. 

I have a Lionel gon full of Lego tires.

 

Now, I think Lionel made a set with Lego kits in the 1980's.  The flats had a Lego base.

Lionel/AF and a conbo with Lego, Tinker toy, Lincoln Logs, or Erector Set is a natural.

TimDude posted:

The few that do want gimicky crap, you should at least build what they want. News flash number 2 - most of them don't want MLB or NASCAR. Example, why Lionel did't do a Star Wars themed set this Christmas is astonishing. They could have had a futuristic looking "steampunk" engine and a few cars. A mint car with Darth Vader's funeral pier, a flat car with Atikin's pod racer, or a boxcar of lightsabers destined to for the rebel alliance.

I like the thinking about tie-ins for the "novelty" segment.  Someone mentioned that tying into Star Wars would be expensive - it probably would be, but one thing that Lionel has in its favor is that their products are relatively expensive by nature, unlike say a lunch box.  That enables there to perhaps be some margin headroom for rich licensing agreements if they are necessary.  One doesn't have to start with a "big fish" like Star Wars - there are plenty of other possibilities that might work for both Lionel and the licensor.  And Lionel has experience with such licensing (think Peanuts, the NASCAR and MLB you mention, etc.) so they know how the game is played - another thing in their favor.

The steampunk angle is something I hadn't considered - some of the contraptions that kids come up with under such an approach could well end up looking downright Rube Goldberg-ian but be a heck of a lot of fun to create (and recreate, and recreate...)

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Dominic Mazoch posted:
TimDude posted:
Dominic Mazoch posted:

The parts bins in the back of the LEGO stores also has great things for car loads and for scenery.

Oh' yes. I have bucket fulls of their little rubber tires. Both the normal ones and the fat ones that will go on my race track scene. 

Lionel/AF and a conbo with Lego, Tinker toy, Lincoln Logs, or Erector Set is a natural.

When I talk about a "chassis architecture", I'm talking about something like Erector had/has - a standardized, likely grid sort of set of holes in the chassis of items with consistent hole distances and sizes.  Adding a new module involves just screwing in down into place and connecting it to the power and control busses.   I don't think a snap-in approach like LEGOs has would provide enough strength to resist the torque some of the component would exert (think something like a crane) or keep things in place during derailments.  It's not complicated - but it has to be done "right" from the get-go.

I know I loved my TinkerToys (and Erector) as a kid!  I wonder if they're still hanging around my mom's place somewhere so I can give them to Noah...

Interesting ideas there, JTrains. Perhaps there's a niche for you to get something started in programmable after-market modules for the electronically-dead shelf-queen engines that we hear about.

Like f'rinstance:

A programmable/recordable sound-file system for the owners to customize for themselves and matching their layout locations. Change all your locomotive whistles to a N&W hooter if you want  (my preference)

A programmable Bluetooth sound system (not from a tinny locomotive speaker, but for a wifi surround system) that fades and increases in volume depending on where upon the layout the locomotive/train is. (i.e. your basement should shake when the train is closest to you )

CGI enhancements for the locomotive-mounted camera? Like animated movies overlaid on the layout scene? Kinda like having TrainSimulator and your physical layout combined? I dunno - just Mindstorming,  but getting the that virtual world into our virtual world is the key to attracting the kids to the hobby; .

If IT is your specialty, I wouldn't wait for Lionel or anybody else either; might be behind the curve already....... ( I don't think that's a railroad term  

JTrains posted:

Being a business owner and having developed several concepts into products in my career, the strategy of businesses is something that interests me. Having now been back into Lionel trains for a few months after a 30 year absence and the birth of my son, I’ve done some reflecting about Lionel as a company, its direction, and ways it could perhaps grow in the future. 

 

D500 posted:

Per the signature section: what does Chicago being the greatest city in the world (which it isn't; there's no such thing) have to do with all this? Kind of off-putting to some of us who don't live there. Been there. More that once. I liked it OK. "Greatest"? Nah.

It doesn't have anything to do with the thread - it's just a fact.

Firewood posted:

Interesting ideas there, JTrains. Perhaps there's a niche for you to get something started in programmable after-market modules for the electronically-dead shelf-queen engines that we hear about.

If IT is your specialty, I wouldn't wait for Lionel or anybody else either; might be behind the curve already....... ( I don't think that's a railroad term &nbsp

JTrains posted:

Being a business owner and having developed several concepts into products in my career, the strategy of businesses is something that interests me. Having now been back into Lionel trains for a few months after a 30 year absence and the birth of my son, I’ve done some reflecting about Lionel as a company, its direction, and ways it could perhaps grow in the future. 

 

Hehe...my specialty is large-scale software projects, not imbedded systems programming and the supply chain necessary to build the hardware to support it.  Plus I'm a little short on the capital side.  But if I had a financial situation more like Neil Young...

In all seriousness: I think Lionel (as opposed to some of the other manufacturers - sorry!) is in the best position to pull something like this off.  They've got a ton of the expertise, name recognition, and products in-house to make it happen - they would only have to decide it's what they wanted to do.  Of course, as a consultant I'm always available to help them achieve same... 

And some good product ideas, BTW!

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JTrains posted:
Firewood posted:

Interesting ideas there, JTrains. Perhaps there's a niche for you to get something started in programmable after-market modules for the electronically-dead shelf-queen engines that we hear about.

If IT is your specialty, I wouldn't wait for Lionel or anybody else either; might be behind the curve already....... ( I don't think that's a railroad term &nbsp

JTrains posted:

Being a business owner and having developed several concepts into products in my career, the strategy of businesses is something that interests me. Having now been back into Lionel trains for a few months after a 30 year absence and the birth of my son, I’ve done some reflecting about Lionel as a company, its direction, and ways it could perhaps grow in the future. 

 

Hehe...my specialty is large-scale software projects, not imbedded systems programming and the supply chain necessary to build the hardware to support it.  Plus I'm a little short on the capital side.  But if I had a financial situation more like Neil Young...

In all seriousness: I think Lionel (as opposed to some of the other manufacturers - sorry!) is in the best position to pull something like this off.  They've got a ton of the expertise, name recognition, and products in-house to make it happen - they would only have to decide it's what they wanted to do.  Of course, as a consultant I'm always available to help them achieve same... 

And some good product ideas, BTW!

Thanks! Yes - good ideas, no capital: that's me....  

So, large-scale software projects in Chicago...... not CME / CBOT / S&P500 related, by any chance? Me, I'm still deciphering Excel fer Pete's sake...........

 

Firewood posted:
Thanks! Yes - good ideas, no capital: that's me....  

So, large-scale software projects in Chicago...... not CME / CBOT / S&P500 related, by any chance? Me, I'm still deciphering Excel fer Pete's sake...........

 

No (think large retailers and restaurants) - but have a number of friends that keep the world's options trading at 20 South Wacker.  It's a crazy-serious IT environment!

If I only had some real money - perhaps I should have played PowerBall yesterday?  Is that a business strategy?  FedEx survived in the early days by putting it all on black in Las Vegas - maybe I should, too...

JTrains 
 
Just my $0.02, (See? No money!) but I think that Lionel is at the "apostle brand" stage as described on the link below, i.e.,

"To secure infinite growth, you need to create an apostle brand—one that inspires enduring trust, loyalty, love, and almost evangelical endorsements and advocacy."

"Apostle brands capture a disproportionate share of discretionary dollars: 2 percent of their consumers account for 20 percent of sales, drive 80 percent of total sales, and contribute 150 percent of the company's profits." 

http://on.bcg.com/1Ox6woH
 
 

Guess I'll make this $0.04, and say that this is a great idea that I would a), suggest somebody do, et b), some ideas for standardized components:

-A few basic boilers (Belpaire, long et short?)

-I like the bare necessity electronics idea. Can motors from RadioShack and the like could be used for basic power, and a rectifier wired in with plug connectors, so a reverse board like those used currently could be swapped in.

-A pair of frames (long and short, or 4 axle and 8 axle... Something like that) with the capablities of adding a motor to every axle if so desired, and linking up the frames to make an articulated.

Et the list goes on...

El Classico posted:

Say, if you are a business owner, why not try joining up with a few others here to try and make this a reality?

Hehe...other than the idea and a few thoughts on the implementation details, I don't think I have any particular expertise to add to such a venture.   I don't even run TMCC or Legacy!  Plus, in addition to my consulting I have a 60% complete software product I would need to finish first.  And then there's the capital...

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Firewood posted:
JTrains 
 
Just my $0.02, (See? No money!) but I think that Lionel is at the "apostle brand" stage as described on the link below, i.e.,

"To secure infinite growth, you need to create an apostle brand—one that inspires enduring trust, loyalty, love, and almost evangelical endorsements and advocacy."

"Apostle brands capture a disproportionate share of discretionary dollars: 2 percent of their consumers account for 20 percent of sales, drive 80 percent of total sales, and contribute 150 percent of the company's profits." 

http://on.bcg.com/1Ox6woH
 
 

This is very true for Lionel - but only in the "Higher-end collectors" and "Post-War nostalgics" markets.  Unfortunately, those apostles aren't "referenceable" in the "New to model railroading" consumer segment and thus don't carry any meaningful weight there.  Lionel would need to develop referenceable apostle customers in this third market, but I contend that they might be able to do so with an innovative product direction such as the one I'm suggesting - just as LEGO has done with MindStorms.

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Over the past few days since I posted there have been many excellent comments - most of them positive towards the idea I advanced.  I would be interested, as well, in hearing about what everyone thinks are the obstacles or issues with this approach.  For example, I was wondering if there were product safety certification (e.g., U/L) concerns with "mix and match" parts that would hamper the implementation of this idea.  Would appreciate everyone's thoughts on this side of the topic as well.

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