American Flyer 4019 passenger set questions (Might be 4000 or 4667)

4000 and 4019 is a track trip reverse... look for 3 fingers on the bottom of the loco.  4667 is manual roof top reverse. The 4000/4019 loco was called "All American" in 1925. 4000 Dark green and 4019 Maroon. Cataloged Only in Dark green with a 2 car set.... 3 cars only came with 4019 in maroon in 1925...26. In 26 the sets were named...2 car was Sesquicentennial Special and 3 car was All American. We know that the Maroon 4019 is common, there are plenty out there. 4667 is demonstrably red...not Maroon. and the Am Legion cars have 1927 only black flex trucks with brass journals.  4019 was only in the All American.  BTW no cataloged freight sets EVER with these locos

Thanks Rob! I'll be going to Spencer, NC to pick it up on Saturday. I think it's an All-American with a 4019. I can post pictures tomorrow.

Thanks,

Alex

EDIT: Found photos online. It is a 4019 with the 4040, 4041 and 4042. It shows track and an original box, which is unfortunately in rough shape too. Will need to get light bulbs, green and red plastic, and a pair of light hoods. Set looks OK, but will get to see it in-person tomorrow!

I just got a 4019 maroon, three car set from an estate auction. It is a nice and clean original set but no boxes. It is a very quiet running engine. A long and impressive set when you line it up end to end. Enjoy your new purchase. I like mine a lot.

@Rob English posted:

4000 and 4019 is a track trip reverse... look for 3 fingers on the bottom of the loco.  4667 is manual roof top reverse. The 4000/4019 loco was called "All American" in 1925. 4000 Dark green and 4019 Maroon. Cataloged Only in Dark green with a 2 car set.... 3 cars only came with 4019 in maroon in 1925...26. In 26 the sets were named...2 car was Sesquicentennial Special and 3 car was All American. We know that the Maroon 4000 is common, there are plenty out there. 4667 is demonstrably red...not Maroon. and the Am Legion cars have 1927 only black flex trucks with brand journals.  4019 was only in the All American.  BTW no cataloged freight sets EVER with these locos

The 4000 in maroon does exist, but it is quite rare. 

@Nation Wide Lines posted:

The 4000 in maroon does exist, but it is quite rare.

you know those brass plates can be swapped out easily, right?

@Nation Wide Lines posted:

The 4000 in maroon does exist, but it is quite rare.

Yah, fat fingered it.... 4019 is common in Maroon, not the 4000. Especially not the 2 wall Maroon 4000.

@Ives1122 posted:

you know those brass plates can be swapped out easily, right?

All plates can be easily swapped out, but that does not change the fact that there are original maroon 4000 engines.  Page 20 of the Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer Wide Gauge indicates at the top left column, Variation B "Same as (A), except in maroon with yellow painted windows".

Rob correctly identifies that the Maroon 4000 engines are the earliest variations with double walled bodies.

@Nation Wide Lines posted:

All plates can be easily swapped out, but that does not change the fact that there are original maroon 4000 engines.  Page 20 of the Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer Wide Gauge indicates at the top left column, Variation B "Same as (A), except in maroon with yellow painted windows".

Rob correctly identifies that the Maroon 4000 engines are the earliest variations with double walled bodies.

Oh, I know the double wall locomotives are quite hard to find.  I'm just messing with ya.  Almost anything can be made from original flyer parts.

Hence the problem with collecting Flyer.  Collectors constantly upgrade and swap bits and pieces out to create "variations".  Collect cautiously!