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I noticed a lot of chatter from the 4-4-2 front truck of my Lionel Winter Wonderland set.

I’m pretty sure I need to replace the wheels, but I’m not exactly sure of how to go about it. I'm having trouble finding a parts list and I may not be using the correct terminology

Any advice would be much appreciated.

 

Last edited by Sleeper
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Yep, looks like "electro-gunk" to me! Thick enough to chip the big stuff off, clean the last bits carefully with alcohol (care around paint & plastic), and lots, and lots, of q-tips. All wheels should be cleaned. And it wont be just the loco, cars too. Clean them all. And the inside edges & tops of your track(outside rails) On some stock it will be every wheel. Others only one will do the gunk collection. Its strange. If anything begins jumping the track, that is the first thing I check. 

Looks like carbon buildup from electrical contact with the rails. It needs a good cleaning. Another way is to use a wire wheel attachment on a dremel tool. let the wire wheel spin the train wheels while cleaning. All the carbon will be taken off and the wheels left clean. Make sure you wear safety goggles. the carbon will be thrown by the dremel and can cause eye damage. Also, if possible do it away from the layout and be careful about any wire strands that can get into the engine or on the track and short things out. I usually don't recommend wire brush to clean trains but the wheels look pretty bad. 

Sometimes, but not always.  Lionel has made many locos over the course of many decades so I would say in general, no: don't assume they will be.  But in a lot of cases the front and even the rear trucks and wheels can be interchanged, etc.  

 

I have done this in particular among the Lionchief Plus locos, removing and changing trucks for other Lionel trucks-I bashed two of my steamers, Hudson and Pacific, into acceptable (to me, at least) scale models of smaller, older locos.  I also played "truck games" with a Legacy Mogul I did not like and changed around alot, actually adding a small rear truck to make it a 2-6-2, etc.  About 25% of the time the new truck(s) just bolt right on.  About 50% of the time, some slight modification, washer as spacers, etc., has to be done.  About 25% of the time it requires more work, perhaps enough that a person might give up.

I don't think you will need a magnifying glass.

I just hold a flat edged knife against the wheel and rotate it by hand. Since the wheels are fixed to the axle, you can turn them by the wheel that isn't being cleaned.
The gunk usually comes off in strips. There is often a little left behind. I remove the remainder with a qtip dipped in mineral spirits. First the wet end, let it work for a few moments, then mop up the gunk with the dry end.

 

We all seem to have our own techniques.

Last edited by C W Burfle

Lay it in a few soft raggy towels, or hold it nice, don't break/bend things on top!. If you don't have a cradle. Some foam/bubble wrap/towel lined miter boxes & scrap wood works fairly well. Drying any traction tires of solvents asap would probably do wonders for its life span.

Its likely time to add some lube! Small oil drops, push grease on gears, work it in, let it sit on towels 24hr, wipe. etc. & Checking, and "dusting" of brushes, and armature contact "cracks" on non-can motors.

Last edited by Adriatic

Definitely not worn, just a bunch of gunk caked on the wheels.  Not unusual.  I clean the wheelsets on mine up in a similar manner to C.W. Burfle above.

 

This can happen on rolling stock too.  With a reasonably steady hand you could clean it off with a Dremel with a fine wire brush attachment on it too, but in the case of the locomotive you may want to take the truck assembly off first.

Well I guess you are all correct it is black disgusting dirt and I am just in shock because I just cleaned the track a month ago, but didn't pay much attention to the wheels. I just don't know where the black stuff came from and wonder if maybe it has something to with only powering one side of the Realtrax

 

It was a little to late though because I already ordered the new wheels that Bill posted. I might go ahead and use the new wheels anyway because as Ii was turning the wheel, I noticed that one had a bent axle I think. The wheel turns a little wobbly.

 

So I guess I'm going to have to clean the wheels of the 20 box cars behind it as well.

Last edited by Sleeper
Originally Posted by Sleeper:

Well I guess you are all correct it is black disgusting dirt and I am just in shock because I just cleaned the track a month ago, but didn't pay much attention to the wheels. I just don't know where the black stuff came from and wonder if maybe it has something to with only powering one side of the Realtrax

 

It was a little to late though because I already ordered the new wheels that Bill posted. I might go ahead and use the new wheels anyway because as Ii was turning the wheel, I noticed that one had a bent axle I think. The wheel turns a little wobbly.

 

So I guess I'm going to have to clean the wheels of the 20 box cars behind it as well.

 

 

This gunk is caused by several factors; mostly from the residue from smoke fluid vapors settling on the track and mixing with dirt (dust).  Also can be from lubricating oil  from the engine (especially if too generous amount of lube/oil was applied to the engine's moving parts) & dirt, sometimes a little of all the above.

 

If you cut down or eliminate the use of the smoke units altogether, you may find that your track will stay cleaner much longer.

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