Are there any steam engines left to make?

Absolutely. For starters the N&W

S1-a 0-8-0

Z1b 2-6-6-2

K1 4-8-2

Bill DeBrooke posted:

A recurring theme seems to be that no one is making any new steam engines...

but I have to ask, how many more unique engine types are out there that have not been modeled? 

Are there any American engines of any consequence that have not been modeled by one of the current train manufacturers?

It seems to me that most of the significant types of steam locomotives on the largest railroads have been made as 1:48 models. The experts on particular railroads can always point to engines from their favorite roads that have not been made in O gauge/scale but there may not be a sufficiently large market for their production to be cost-effective. Therefore, fewer new offerings... Just my opinion.

MELGAR

Numberless as the stars in the sky
As for me, lots of Reading locos languish unproduced.

rex desilets posted:

Numberless as the stars in the sky
As for me, lots of Reading locos languish unproduced.

Yup.  The Reading I-10 2-8-0.

Neither MTH nor Lionel has EVER produced:

1) NYC 4-6-2 or 2-8-2 in scale.

2) Lehigh Valley 4-8-4.

3) Western Maryland 4-8-4.

4) RF&P 4-8-4.

5) Rock Island various versions of 4-8-4.

6) Chicago, Burlington & Quincey 4-6-2, 2-8-2, 4-8-4, 2-10-2, 2-10-4.

7) Northern Pacific various versions of 4-8-4.

8) Southern Pacific 4-6-2, 4-8-2, 2-10-2, or 4-10-2 three cylinder. 

Illinois Central: 2-8-2, 4-8-2, 2-10-2.

Frisco: 4-8-2 (1522,) 2-10-0 (1630.)

Sierra Railroad: 4-6-0 (#3)

Rusty

Hot Water posted:

Neither MTH nor Lionel has EVER produced:

1) NYC 4-6-2 or 2-8-2 in scale.

MTH has offered Premier New York Central USRA 2-8-2s

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

Hot Water posted:

Neither MTH nor Lionel has EVER produced:

1) NYC 4-6-2 or 2-8-2 in scale.

MTH has offered Premier New York Central USRA 2-8-2s

MELGAR

I was referring to the "REAL" NYC 2-8-2, i.e. the H9/10b versions. Not a USRA light 2-8-2, painted for NYC.

That Reading I-10 is really neat. I recall there's many Reading steamers that haven't been made.

Even for models that have been made, there's many improvements in the tooling and dyes that are needed. Lionel, for one, could upgrade many of their dyes that were made in the early 2000s - those U-shaped boilers are pretty lousy looking IMO.

The Austin and northwestern has 1 steam engine and it has not been produced by any mfr.  In fact none of their diesels have been offered either.

the central of georgia big apple

aussteve posted:

The Austin and northwestern has 1 steam engine and it has not been produced by any mfr.  In fact none of their diesels have been offered either.

Never heard of it! Where is THAT railroad located?

Hot Water posted:

aussteve posted:

The Austin and northwestern has 1 steam engine and it has not been produced by any mfr.  In fact none of their diesels have been offered either.

Never heard of it! Where is THAT railroad located?

Currently being operated by Watco Companies.

Rusty

Has any of the big manufactures offered a USRA Santa Fe? Seaboard Air Line had 15 of them. The Deep South would like a little love. 

Exactly two classes of Frisco engines have been modeled in any accuracy, one a USRA generic.  Two classes of MoPac engines have been modeled with any accuracy:  both USRA generics.  Two classes of T&P engines have been modeled, one a USRA generic.    I believe that only ONE class of Rock Island has been modeled with any accuracy, and I don't know of ANY Wabash.

Now, maybe an engine has to be from UP, NYC, Pennsy, or Santa Fe to be of "any consequence" in some people's eyes, but let's get real:  only a VERY SMALL fraction of steam engines have been modeled with any accuracy at all.  But, by golly! there are dozens of versions of NYC Hudsons and maybe half that many versions of the Big Boys or the N&W Js.  Funnily enough, even most of the Santa Fe engines modeled seem to be oddballs.

Now that is a statement that can raise some blood pressure!  Not even Pennsy fans think all their roads' locos have been done (although others might...me included and l know better). That NYC Mikado example is also startling.  I would hope that some of these have been done by 3rd Rail?  Many, many more have been done in HO brass, but that ocean has not been drained, either.  As l just mentioned in a recent posting, l think it is hopeless to type in again a LONG list of three rail models, any of which l would buy, that have not made or offered (a few, like the C&O Mikado,  were offered as a kit pre-WWII!!, and maybe built-up?). With all the books in any train show dedicated to steamers on a road, those books might picture THOUSANDS you cannot find a three rail model of.

Balshis posted:

rex desilets posted:

Numberless as the stars in the sky
As for me, lots of Reading locos languish unproduced.

Yup.  The Reading I-10 2-8-0.

I was also going to point out Reading N1 class articulated loco's.  Tons of Reading steam equipment hasn't been addresses yet.

Strasburg No. 90

Louisville & Nashville No. 152

Black River & Western No. 60

Susquehanna/Bel-Del RR No. 142

I wanna CNJ 4-6-4t

Plenty of  "important" steamers left to make - in my case a Milwaukee Road S-2 Northern

(how many layouts already have Milwaukee Road Atlantics / Hudson's - and could also use a big freight hauler ?)

How about some PRR engines that made it into the 50s:  B8a Tank, K2a, K5, and N2sa (rebuilt).

Hot Water posted:

Neither MTH nor Lionel has EVER produced:

1) NYC 4-6-2 or 2-8-2 in scale.

2) Lehigh Valley 4-8-4.

3) Western Maryland 4-8-4.

4) RF&P 4-8-4.

5) Rock Island various versions of 4-8-4.

6) Chicago, Burlington & Quincey 4-6-2, 2-8-2, 4-8-4, 2-10-2, 2-10-4.

7) Northern Pacific various versions of 4-8-4.

8) Southern Pacific 4-6-2, 4-8-2, 2-10-2, or 4-10-2 three cylinder. 

Although Lionel and MTH may have not made the models listed above, 3rd Rail has made some of them.  I have a 3rd Rail SP 4-8-2 and a 4-10-2 three cylinder.  3rd Rail lists the CB&Q 2-8-2 for sale on its website.   I think that most of the major steam engines for the major railroads have been made by someone at one time or another.  NH Joe

New Haven Joe posted:

New Haven Joe posted:

Hot Water posted:

Neither MTH nor Lionel has EVER produced:

1) NYC 4-6-2 or 2-8-2 in scale.

2) Lehigh Valley 4-8-4.

3) Western Maryland 4-8-4.

4) RF&P 4-8-4.

5) Rock Island various versions of 4-8-4.

6) Chicago, Burlington & Quincey 4-6-2, 2-8-2, 4-8-4, 2-10-2, 2-10-4.

7) Northern Pacific various versions of 4-8-4.

8) Southern Pacific 4-6-2, 4-8-2, 2-10-2, or 4-10-2 three cylinder. 

Although Lionel and MTH may have not made the models listed above, 3rd Rail has made some of them.  I have a 3rd Rail SP 4-8-2 and a 4-10-2 three cylinder.  3rd Rail lists the CB&Q 2-8-2 for sale on its website.   I think that most of the major steam engines for the major railroads have been made by someone at one time or another.  NH Joe

A goodly number of "other" locomotives were imported in the past. Sadly, 2-rail with all-flanged drivers with small flanges. If you could get past that, somehow, adding modern electronics would be do-able.

PRR K2, K3, E2, E3, E5, B8, B8A. B6 with inside valve gear (as opposed to B6sb)

Of course many locos in these lists would not be that popular, so they may not sell well.

Here's my wishlist:

"small" Berkshires like DT&I, C&NW.  Great modern power for smaller curves!

PRR K5 Pacific.  Looks better than the K4 IMO.

The Illinois Central locos mentioned above are modern and good-looking too.

 L&N "Big Emma" 2-8-4

WM Potomac 4-8-4 (done in 2-rail, not in 3-rail.)

Baldwin 60000 (possibly related to the SP 4-10-2 mentioned previously.)  Demonstrated on a lot of roads, and still in existence!

B&O Big Six 2-10-2 (Reading K1sa is similar.)  3rd Rail did the B&O, but supposedly due to an error it was under-produced, and there is latent demand.

The sad reality is, participation in our hobby decreases every single day.  New tooling for mass-production just isn't cost effective.  What was the last totally "new" die-cast steam loco?  MTH's L4 Mohawk circa 2009?  Did Lionel make anything totally new after that??  The Turbine, Hudson, S-3, Berkshires, J-3, Big Boy were all made from existing molds.  NOT a criticism, just stating a reality.  If ANY of the locos in this thread get made, it will probably be by 3rd Rail in hand-soldered brass, where a run of 200 units will sell out within 6 months and cover its costs.

It's not a tragedy.  We have more choices than ever before.  But as America's greatest generation, who grew up with trains, and witnessed steam in action passes into history, so does the era of a newly-tooled steam loco in every catalog.  

Reading I-10, PRR N1  2-10-2 world be nice and a PRR K5 Pacific 

A RK new haven I-5

Apart from the J-class Challenger by Sunset, any D&H steam loco.  But there's only about 17 of us who model it in O and I model the diesels so... 

NYO&W 4-8-2 Mountain (scale)

NYO&W 2-10-2 Bullmoose

NYO&W 4-6-0 Class U Teakettle

LV 4-8-4 Wyoming

Chris

LVHR

Any Central Vermont class... the 700's would be cool... Rutland too!

Jon

NYC class NU-1B 0-8-8-0 ........and not some fantasy wanna be either!....😉........Pat

Strasburg 90

Seems to me that larger steamers have had plenty of offerings: I would think a small drivered Mike or Prairie; something built for a shortline would be popular, wouldn't it?

Has there been any serious offerings of this type (more or less) since the Lionel Mogul "fiasco"? 

Mark in (windy) Oregon

Strummer posted:

Seems to me that larger steamers have had plenty of offerings: I would think a small drivered Mike or Prairie; something built for a shortline would be popular, wouldn't it?

Has there been any serious offerings of this type (more or less) since the Lionel Mogul "fiasco"? 

Mark in (windy) Oregon

You would think, but it appears most of the 3-rail world fancies "big engines."

However, MTH had a smallish Premier 2-8-0 that with some minor detail changes could add some variety and Lionel's little LionChief 0-6-0T is scale proportioned.  WBB has a 4-6-0 that is more or less patterned after a Ma & Pa 4-6-0.

I keep harping on Sierra Railway #3.  Because of it's movie roles, you could practically letter it for any railroad and get away with it.

Rusty

New Haven Joe posted:

Hot Water posted:

Neither MTH nor Lionel has EVER produced:

1) NYC 4-6-2 or 2-8-2 in scale.

2) Lehigh Valley 4-8-4.

3) Western Maryland 4-8-4.

4) RF&P 4-8-4.

5) Rock Island various versions of 4-8-4.

6) Chicago, Burlington & Quincey 4-6-2, 2-8-2, 4-8-4, 2-10-2, 2-10-4.

7) Northern Pacific various versions of 4-8-4.

8) Southern Pacific 4-6-2, 4-8-2, 2-10-2, or 4-10-2 three cylinder. 

Although Lionel and MTH may have not made the models listed above, 3rd Rail has made some of them.  I have a 3rd Rail SP 4-8-2 and a 4-10-2 three cylinder.  3rd Rail lists the CB&Q 2-8-2 for sale on its website.   I think that most of the major steam engines for the major railroads have been made by someone at one time or another.  NH Joe

That why he posted that list?

There are way too many O-gauge steamers with Belpaire fireboxes. My preference is to have these locomotives in the affordable Rail King line:

Little steam locos: seems to be a matter of economics. For a few bucks more than the price of a new, small-ish steamer, I can buy a gigantosaurus 4-10-10-6.

HUGE VOID...

semi- scale (non-PRR)  2-8-0

semi-scale "modern" 4-4-0

Both could be decorated for many different railroads that had them

JohnA

Bobby Ogage posted:

There are way too many O-gauge steamers with Belpaire fireboxes. My preference is to have these locomotives in the affordable Rail King line

Surprised MTH or Lionel have never made this or the New Haven I5 with passenger cars.