Are these allowed at York

Probably not, Steve. From another recent thread on carrying your purchases (thanks to MartyE)...

No, but power chairs and strollers are.  Put one of those life-like dolls in it.  Or put a motor and a seat on it.

Just in case you're serious, there isn't room in most of the aisles for something like that.  No room for strollers or power chairs either, but I digress...

I have a few health problems that limit my mobility so I use an electric scooter to get around the neighborhood and local shopping area.  Recently I purchased a large shopping basket for the front of it.  I know scooters are allowed so I see no reason why this wouldn't be allowed.  Any thoughts?

scooters are everywhere at York these days. The basket, not so sure.That's a big one.

  Try to find a good parking spot in the middle of all the buildings and make many trips back to your car/truck/van/motorhome with all your purchases .

that basket looks almost as wide as some of the aisles at York...…...don't think anybody would squawk at the scooter, but the basket on the front looks like a front end loader.... 

harmonyards posted:

that basket looks almost as wide as some of the aisles at York...…...don't think anybody would squawk at the scooter, but the basket on the front looks like a front end loader.... 

Actually the basket is no wider than the arms on the seat.  I think being white makes it look bigger than it actually is.  It's the same size as the baskets on the electric scooters at Walmart.  Perhaps I'll have my friend vinyl coat it black.  

Steve, we need more keys for multiple trips to the car!!! Lol

Bob

maybe so Nick, could be the way its angled in the picture too....I don't recall seeing baskets on scooters at York, but then again I probably hadn't paid it no nevermind either....reckon you'd have to ask the TCA folks on that one.....

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

Making my first trip. Are carts like this allowed in the 

thanks

Steve

halls? 

you know, since you are a first timer.. you MIGHT be able to get away with this ONCE... Just Once!

And Don't forget to bring the "baby"

Mallard4468 posted:

No, but power chairs and strollers are.  Put one of those life-like dolls in it.  Or put a motor and a seat on it.

Just in case you're serious, there isn't room in most of the aisles for something like that.  No room for strollers or power chairs either, but I digress...

It was a serious question. Never been there. It would be convenient, but did not want to break any rules.

Thanks to all that answered.

Steve

JohnnieWalker posted:

  Try to find a good parking spot in the middle of all the buildings and make many trips back to your car/truck/van/motorhome with all your purchases .

Sounds easy, but for some of us it is not. Oh well, hopefully the adrenaline will override the pain from arthritis and fatigue from MG.

Steve

I can be your Sherpa if it will reduce my tab!

Bob

Watch those powered scooters.  I had a lady run over my foot then panicked and ran over it the opposite way. OUCH!!!  Man that did hurt.  She didn't even say sorry.  Some of them are so get out of my way, grumpy people.

I don't know why you guys make a big deal over the power scooters. There aren't that many of them. If you are in that bad condition, maybe you shouldn't go. For sure shopping carts are not allowed,, or scooters with baskets.  Maybe I saw 2 in the blue hall when the meet opened last April.

wild mary posted:

I have a few health problems that limit my mobility so I use an electric scooter to get around the neighborhood and local shopping area.  Recently I purchased a large shopping basket for the front of it.  I know scooters are allowed so I see no reason why this wouldn't be allowed.  Any thoughts?

 

Maybe just me, BUT, if I saw this I would think the main goal was to cart around a lot of heavy stuff. A carry bag on the floor or hung over the front may be best to avoid dirty looks.

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

JohnnieWalker posted:

  Try to find a good parking spot in the middle of all the buildings and make many trips back to your car/truck/van/motorhome with all your purchases .

Sounds easy, but for some of us it is not. Oh well, hopefully the adrenaline will override the pain from arthritis and fatigue from MG.

Steve

Steve ,

         If walking is a problem , then try to utilize the free shuttle service that will take you around to the various buildings . This will save you a lot of energy  and pain .

         After you ave entered any of the member halls , It will take you about 30 seconds to realize why there are strict rules . Everyone is looking for that elusive treasure that will complete their set or layout . You have to pay attention to the arrows on the floor and go with the flow . It just makes it easier on everyone .

         I'll admit that I have never attended a meet on the west coast , so I don't know just how crowded they are or how wide the aisles are . At York the pack them in .

        As far as parking is concerned ,  common sense is the rule here . The earlier that you get there , the better the parking spot and therefore less steps to the car .

Joe Hohmann posted:

wild mary posted:

I have a few health problems that limit my mobility so I use an electric scooter to get around the neighborhood and local shopping area.  Recently I purchased a large shopping basket for the front of it.  I know scooters are allowed so I see no reason why this wouldn't be allowed.  Any thoughts?

 

Maybe just me, BUT, if I saw this I would think the main goal was to cart around a lot of heavy stuff. A carry bag on the floor or hung over the front may be best to avoid dirty looks.

I'll check with the ED but if it's allowed I'll be using it at the spring show.  As far as dirty looks are concerned, I've got pretty thick skin.

I like it!  The basket would hit people first and perhaps save them from getting their foot and/or leg run over.  Seriously.

As in all walks of life, there are good folks and those folks who give something a bad name.    I've seen many conscientious scooter operators who take care to not run into pedestrians nor inhibit movement while driving by operating their scooter as if they "own the road".   Unfortunately, like drivers of cars there are those individuals who are totally oblivious of others and their safety.  

I had one bad experience about 10 years ago at a Greenberg show where a scooter ran over my foot and began to roll up my leg as the driver was looking at tables to their right instead of where they were going.  It hurt. I cursed in pain as I fell.  The driver didn't even try to apologize.  I'm ashamed of some of things I said to him.  I didn't use profanity but I laid into him very heavily about perhaps he wouldn't be in a scooter if he didn't eat so much and not exercise and how that was no excuse for being stupid.  You get the picture.   Not my proudest moment for sure.  I console myself now as I did then by thinking the scooter operator was lucky I did what I did -  I could have played up the injury and sued him.  

I pray I will never need to use a scooter.  I'm empathetic to those of you who do need to use them.   Just please, please be careful when operating them as you could do some real damage if you hit someone.

-Greg

CP BOB posted:

Steve, we need more keys for multiple trips to the car!!! Lol

Bob

wait, you guys are driving?

Steve ,

   

         I'll admit that I have never attended a meet on the west coast , so I don't know just how crowded they are or how wide the aisles are . At York the pack them in .

        As far as parking is concerned ,  common sense is the rule here . The earlier that you get there , the better the parking spot and therefore less steps to the car .

Most shows or meets in publicly owned buildings have an 8-10 foot aisle requirement. Those held in privately owned venues seem to be exempt and pack them in tighter.

Steve

I believe that you have about 4 to 5 ft between the aisles in the blue, silver & red halls. Correct me if I am wrong.

eddie g posted:

I believe that you have about 4 to 5 ft between the aisles in the blue, silver & red halls. Correct me if I am wrong.

That's a pretty narrow aisle unlike the Greenburg and All Scale shows at Timonium Fairgrounds here in Baltimore.  Here we have at least 8' aisles.

Eddie is right. Not very wide aisles in the member halls. Add maneuvering around the chairs sitting in the aisle for the vendor/seller.

Yes, the aisles in the member halls at York are narrow - definitely no more than 5 feet in width.    Most are wider in the dealer halls but some sections have the narrow isles as well such as the first third of the Orange Hall when entering through the front entrances.    Folks are generally cognizant of those on scooters and everyone makes room.  I get hit by backpacks at least once at every York from folks forgetting to leave enough clearance before turning.    I've yet to be hit by a scooter at York.  

-Greg

With the number of empty tables at the last couple of meets, they could probably eliminate one row of tables in each hall and widen the aisles.

dkdkrd posted:

4'-5' does sound really low.  But, then, our national average adult girths tend to leave us with, shall we say,  'impressions'?....particularly among the average demographics of TCA?  (Now THAT would be an interesting study/statistical analysis...….)

Remember, the aisles have accommodation for vendor chairs on either side.  Then, there would be at least two additional spaces to accommodate pedestrian traffic attentive to tables on either side.  And, then, there's the all-to-occasional aisle-plugging social interactions.

I'm currently....as I write this...standing at a 6-foot counter in our store.  I assure you there is NO way the aisles would be even this narrow.  I grabbed a couple typical folding chairs from the back room....put one at each end of the counter....you'd be lucky to get a single 'average girth' chap or chapette comfortably navigating the remaining space....with package(s) in hand.

Nonetheless, I would be really surprised if aisleways for an event such as the York meet weren't defined/regulated by local/state fire marshal edict.   Then, again,.....

Interesting topic?.....

In the member halls, when sellers on each side place their chairs directly across from each other, there's not much room to spare when walking between them, especially with packages.  

Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:

Mallard4468 posted:

No, but power chairs and strollers are.  Put one of those life-like dolls in it.  Or put a motor and a seat on it.

Just in case you're serious, there isn't room in most of the aisles for something like that.  No room for strollers or power chairs either, but I digress...

It was a serious question. Never been there. It would be convenient, but did not want to break any rules.

Thanks to all that answered.

Steve

Slightly off topic, and not knowing how you're traveling to York - if you're driving, have stuff to sell and have room in the vehicle, post it on the forum for York delivery.  You'll generate a lot of interest and do face-to-face sales without the hassle of shipping or having to stand by a table.  

Looking at that basket....bad idea. While I sympathize to those needing the scooter because of mobility problems...those operating the scooters usually are indifferent to causing "log jams" and colliding with feet and legs.  I'd take the advice of the person who suggested use a large bag instead.....and instead of the scooter, perhaps use the shuttle buses, if you can walk around shorter distances.  I wish you a GREAT York experience.

Not just because of York, But I feel you need to take a defensive driving coarse for those scooters. I have been run over in places that had 10' - 12' pathways. Even in hospitals. Sometimes I think they think they deserve the right away because there in one. Sorry Wild Mary as this may not be you, but there are to many like that out there. 

To those making inaccurate comments about scooter users who rely on them to have some sort of quality of life - 

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This doesn't surprise me,  there's always a few who bring a dark cloud over a perfectly interesting topic.  Way to go guys.

wild mary posted:

I have a few health problems that limit my mobility so I use an electric scooter to get around the neighborhood and local shopping area.  Recently I purchased a large shopping basket for the front of it.  I know scooters are allowed so I see no reason why this wouldn't be allowed.  Any thoughts?

 

Are you kidding me? In April York I saw my life flash in front of my eyes. A driver of one of the York rented scooters came through the north entrance of the Silver/Blue Hall top speed! He narrowly missed me and proceeded to plow through 3 tables before someone was able to grab his hand off of the "throttle"... 

I could not imagine something this big coming through.  

Now that guy definitely didn't belong on a scooter.  You would think that those rentals would have a governor to regulate the  speed much like those in Home Depot and Walmart.  I know that when I'm in public with my scooter I'm very conscious of those around me.  These things aren't toys and shouldn't be treated as such.  BTW that big basket on my scooter is strictly for grocery shopping.  I'd never consider trying to navigate the aisles of York with that monstrosity on the front of my scooter.  Most of the time I just carry a canvas tote bag that hangs on the back of my seat.

I would not want to underwrite the rental establishment.  

wild mary posted:

BTW that big basket on my scooter is strictly for grocery shopping.  I'd never consider trying to navigate the aisles of York with that monstrosity on the front of my scooter.

Really? That's not what you said here:

wild mary posted:

I have a few health problems that limit my mobility so I use an electric scooter to get around the neighborhood and local shopping area.  Recently I purchased a large shopping basket for the front of it.  I know scooters are allowed so I see no reason why this wouldn't be allowed.  Any thoughts?

 

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Matt_GNo27 posted:

wild mary posted:

BTW that big basket on my scooter is strictly for grocery shopping.  I'd never consider trying to navigate the aisles of York with that monstrosity on the front of my scooter.

Really? That's not what you said here:

wild mary posted:

I have a few health problems that limit my mobility so I use an electric scooter to get around the neighborhood and local shopping area.  Recently I purchased a large shopping basket for the front of it.  I know scooters are allowed so I see no reason why this wouldn't be allowed.  Any thoughts?

 

[ed. Underlining added for clarity.]

Hey slick I never said I'd bring that to York.  I said there's no reason why it wouldn't be allowed.   Hey no harm done.

cpowell posted:

 Not very wide aisles in the member halls. Add maneuvering around the chairs sitting in the aisle for the vendor/seller.

And to make matters worse, sometimes vendors place their seats opposite of each other (to talk, I presume). Other aisle problems arise when 2 or 3 guys stop to chat with each other.

Mallard4468 posted:

With the number of empty tables at the last couple of meets, they could probably eliminate one row of tables in each hall and widen the aisles.

I'm sure they have been doing this. To me, the Red Hall aisles seem a fair bit wider than they were 4 years ago.

Bring back the grandstand!