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Was asking some ?'s at the recent train show that MTH attended with a booth. Trying to get the best DCS signal for sidings that are switched off. So you can power off sidings when not in use, save the clock running on your engines when not used. or if lots of lights passenger cars etc. can power off to save power for where it is needed running trains etc.

 

Still trying to fine tune a portable layout for reliable operation and strong DCS signal.

 

Here are some suggestions I received. Keep the red or center rail wires clean no switches on these instead insulate both the outside and inside rails and run the black wire to outside rails through the switch.

 

When using switches get a good quality type that will carry a clean electrical signal. Cheap house light switches are not good for this, or most other slide switches.

 

As per Barry's book keep wires paired from Terminal block to switch then to siding, if possible wire contacts to track in middle of the siding (difficult in module wiring) . Light bulb at end.

 

Any suggestions on what a good solid switch is ??? part # at Radio shack or anywhere else other then a specialty electrical store??

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Originally Posted by kj356:

Keep the red or center rail wires clean no switches on these instead insulate both the outside and inside rails and run the black wire to outside rails through the switch.

Thank you kj, this is helpful.  I have a tinplate layout and want to use the Lionel 439 panels of brass knife switches to power my sidings, but have been concerned about what they would do to the DCS signal, and nobody seemed to know.  If I run the red power wire carrying the DCS signal directly to the siding track and put the knife switch in the black return/common wire, it seems like the knife switches should work as well as anything.

 

I use relays located near the connection to the rails. I am switching the center rail, but I don't have a choice because the outside rails are not isolated.  The relay coil is 14VAC, 100 milliamp.  I can easily control the power to the coil using the AIU.

 

Some tracks I wire normally open at the relay (sidings), and others (larger pieces) normally closed.  I always wire the AIU normally open so I do not power the coil unless the relay is not in its default state.  I've wired some of these larger pieces of track with relays because they are convenient for loading cars.  It's easier to load cars when the track is not powered on.

 

Mike

Although I do not use DCS, I use relays for general switching also. With relays a lot of  complicated switching can be done with a very cheap 3 amp toggle. The following is a paste from my blog. If hard to read it is also here

 

http://www.jcstudiosinc.com/BlogShowThread?id=635&categoryId=426

 

Some control panels are a maze of heavy gauge wiring with heavy expensive DPDT and 3PDT hard to throw toggle switches. In its place SPST light duty toggles can be used working a relay coil which in turn can throw heavy loads and multiple separate circuits. In the drawing for example 3 toggles are shown for simplicity mounted in the panel but as many relays and toggles as needed can be wired in the same fashion. Track power is not even needed in the panel,only relay power so relatively light ,easy to configure 22 and 18 gauge wires are all that is needed. The relays themselves can be mounted conveniently anywhere under the layout. The contacts can switch any load to turn a circuit or multiple circuits on or off with a single, panel mounted or elsewhere, 3 amp toggle switch. For example with a DPDT relay, power to a block and corresponding block signal.

A circuit for an indicator LED on the panel is also shown in the drawing. For 12 volt relays use a 710 ohm or more half watt resistor. For 24 volt DC relays use a 1200 ohm or more half watt resistor. DC relays are shown using a bridge rectifier for power but AC relays are fine to use also. 18VAC will work a 24 VAC relay coil. Block signal wiring and more information on relays are shown in my post "using relays for 3 rail block detection". By combining relays with timer modules multiple events can be sequenced after a switch is thrown. See my post on Mars timer circuits if interested. Good quality DPDT and 3PDT relays with sockets can be had for $8 each. 





Instead of a toggle switch 2 pushbuttons can also be used for on-off operation. In the drawing below one set of relay contacts are used to electrically latch the relay coil in series with the NC ( Normally closed) pushbutton. When the NO (normally open) is pushed the relay coil (24VAC shown) energizes and stays on until the circuit is broken by pressing the NC button. The second set of relay contacts is used to switch the load. Also shown is wiring for an LED indictor light,use a 1n4001 diode and 1200 ohm or more half watt resistor. When the layout is shut off then turned back on all such circuits will assume their unpowered state until switched on again by the user. Depending on needs this may or may not be desired feature. 




Dale H

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