Thanks Hot Water for the reply. I grew up in Clarendon Hills and Hinsdale watching the CB&Q, BN, BNSF.
Buzz
I missed this thread the first time around.
Has anyone mentioned that the GP-50 has not been introduced in BN or any other road name?
Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by tplee:
I hope this is the correct forum to ask.
1. Does anyone have the paint plans for the executive F3 paint patterns. I would like to try to copy it? Also I believe that Illinois Train Museum had an F3 set but they were modified on the roof but I can not find a picture.
The BN executive "F Units" were/are NOT "F3" type. There was only one "A" unit and one "B" unit, both completely remanufactured at the BN West Burlington Shops. There are photos of them all over the internet.
Right, BN-1 and BN-2 are F9's and there is also the E9AM BN-3 which was used from 93' to 96' when the BNSF was formed.
My first layout almost 20 years ago was mostly BN, CB&Q, GN, NP & a little Frisco. Now that I am building a new layout, I plan to continue to run, collect and use as much of those consist's as I can! I will not however acquire any of the current RR BNSF...mostly because I will run vintage time frame epic.
Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by John Pignatelli JR.:
BN was a very fine railroad and so was the Santa FE(ATSF) then they merged and became a very crappy railroad.
Oh, so THAT is the reason that Berkshire Hathaway, i.e. Warren Buffet, purchased the entire stock of BNSF, and is currently making BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
Whaddaya mean?? His secretary makes more than he does 
May have something to do with BH owning coal powered power plants in the NW, railcar manufacturers and not to mention all the mineral rights that BN held including coal & oil.
Originally Posted by CRH:
Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by John Pignatelli JR.:
BN was a very fine railroad and so was the Santa FE(ATSF) then they merged and became a very crappy railroad.
Oh, so THAT is the reason that Berkshire Hathaway, i.e. Warren Buffet, purchased the entire stock of BNSF, and is currently making BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
Whaddaya mean?? His secretary makes more than he does
That is important, why?
May have something to do with BH owning coal powered power plants in the NW, railcar manufacturers and not to mention all the mineral rights that BN held including coal & oil.
So, AGAIN, why does THAT make BNSF a "crappy railroad"?
Actually Warren is pretty clever about taxes, larger salary means higher taxes on ordinary income, whereas capital gains profit has a lower bracket.
The Burlington Northern ACF Center Flow 2-Bay Covered Hopper has never been made in the Gray Body with black graphics scheme by an O Scale company.
LIONEL and MTH can have this version of the BN Gray ACF Center Flow 2-bay covered hopper produced:
Bachmann can use the former K-Line ACF Center Flow 2-bay covered hopper to produce the former FRISCO SL-SF Plate B long version.
There are more images out there for the researchers to find.
Andrew
There are more variations of the Burlington Northern graphics that can be applied to the Atlas O Trainman PS-4750 3-bay covered hopper.
Here is one example that flew past me on August 8th, 2014.
Andrew
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The Burlington Northern also had FMC built a large fleet of 4750 Cu. Ft. Capy. 3-Bay Covered Hoppers. Here is one example:
It would require somebody like Lionel or MTH or even Weaver Models to make the FMC 4750 Covered Hopper model.
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New photos of the Burlington Northern PS-2-CD 4750 Cu. Ft. Capy. 3-bay covered hoppers still in service. It has BURLINGTON NORTHERN and the large logo.
Andrew
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How about.....
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MTH produced the Burlington Northern C30-7 diesel locomotive back in 1994. It was in the 1990 version of White Face. They have not yet produced the as delivered scheme.
MTH RailKing C30-7 diesel in BN original scheme and LS&I patch
https://ogrforum.com/t...-and-lsandampi-patch
There would obviously be Proto.Sounds 3.0 or higher in the new version of the BN C30-7 by the time it is in the catalog, built, and shipped to retailers.
Andrew
I liked the BN fine when it was an independent railroad. I didn't like it at all when BN and Santa Fe merged and lost their individual identities. At this point, while I don't mind BNSF and like their engine colors fine, for some reason I have had no interest in modeling it.
Maybe it's because BNSF just has no history or tradition, or more likely, it reminds me of the loss of two great roads. For me, when it was created it was one merger too many, and somehow also killed any interest I had in BN. Right now I have no BN pieces at all.
In the MTH 2015 Volume 1 Catalog there are Burlington Northern items in Premier and RailKing.
The 60' Flat Car with Track load.
The ACF Center Flow 2-bay Covered Hopper
The C30-7 diesel-electric locomotive
The gondola with containers
Andrew
Originally Posted by falconservice:
BN AMERICA 48' intermodal container in the OMAHA scheme can be produced by MTH. They need the BNAZ chassis for the BNAU containers.
Andrew
I believe Atlas make these trailers some years ago. Some where in my train closet I have them. VBG
I am a massive BN foamer! Everyone I see green and white, it triggers my memory and I get excited!
I really want to see some of the BN E8s and F7s with matching passenger cars made someday. Not just in the exacutive scheme, but also in the 1970 to 1971 hockey stick scheme.
I know it isn't BN but has any manufacturer made the BNSF vomit bonnet SD70MAC? Speaking of vomit bonnet, imagine an F7 or E8 vomit bonnet. That would be cool!
I also wish Marx would have stayed around long enough to make BN items. By 1970, Marx was dying out. They didn't make new dies or castings for BN stuff. Someone made a custom BN 6" litho boxcar, if only New Marx or Faux would have made a production run of them.
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I like early BN for my HO railroad because it gives a prototypical excuse to include BN-GN-NP-CB&Q-SP&S power and cabooses on the same layout for variety. And GN had different schemes too.
Even more variety with joint BN-SP operation as on Chemult-Klamath Falls route.
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It's just a matter of chopping off the boiler section from MTH FP45 and shortening the frame for MTH to make it a F45.
I wouldn't mind an SDP45 too.
I've always liked BN's paint schemes, and ever since I read a Trains Magazine article on Stevens Pass years ago, I've had a bit of an itch to model the BN... I guess at a minimum I could justify a run-through unit or two.
I don't model this road but always loved their paint scheme.
Atlas O made the BN 45' Trailers.
The BNAU 48' containers would need to be produced by MTH since the people at Atlas O have other size containers, but not the 48' containers yet.
Andrew
There sure are a lot of great items that still need to be made. It sure seems like there is huge interest in the E8 "hockey stick" scheme. If that ever comes out in premier or legacy look out!!!
Here is my latest BN addition, the SD40-2.
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I could get into a set of E8 hockey sticks with a nice set of matching smooth side 21" cars to make up another Empire Builder. When I was 10 years old I had the AHM set in HO. Favorite passenger train!
I always thought the logo was cool
I always thought it looked like 2 wrenches facing each other.
The Lionel Burlington Northern Auto Rack on TTX 89' flat car had the sign-plate in a different spot than normal and the style of numbers used for the road numbers is not the font used by Trailer Train/TTX.
The people at Lionel need to be sent many close-up photos of the BN Auto Rack on TTX TTGX 89' flat cars to make sure the next round is of a more common version.
Andrew
falconservice posted:Lionel needs to make a run of the Burlington Northern Auto Racks on TTGX TRAILER TRAIN 89' Flat Cars for 1970's and 1980's era model railroad layouts. The TTX graphics are for the 1991 to present day era.
Does the 6-16217 from 1992 not count because it's traditional size and not 89' scale?
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The O gauge auto carrier is just a little bit larger than an HO Scale Auto Carrier from Walthers.
If they made a 1/64th scale 89' Auto Rack on 89' Flat Car it would be longer and taller than that auto carrier.
It has the right graphics, but is not even S scale in size.
If only they could have put those graphics on the 1/48th scale Auto Rack on 89' Flat Car, then I would have been more willing to pay for it.
Andrew
Well, John Pignatelli JR, I was going to write to you privately about this, but, since you have drawn Hot Water out of his office in the roundhouse, and scowling in your direction, I might as well say it here.
In the opinion of many, BNSF was the railroad merger that worked the best. Both railroads did some things better than the other one, and the combined railroad did a pretty good job of using the best of both roads to create a new corporate culture that seems to me to be pretty good.
As to the railfan aspects of BNSF, well, orange is not my favorite color for locomotives, but I think they did the best they could with it and it is a high-visibility paint scheme, which, generally, is a good thing. The physical plant is beginning to look different as predecessor structures are removed or replaced, but the trains are moving right along on well-maintained track. As BREEZINUP pointed out, there's no tradition, but clinging to tradition is what caused a lot of dog fighting within BN, and BNSF had almost none. Thank Robert Krebs for handling that delicately and well.
And, for that matter, five interesting railroad traditions were suffocated in green paint by iron-pants upper management in the creation of BN and the later addition of Frisco. Almost everybody involved was angry and felt like one or more of the other component railroads was shoving its traditional practices down their throats. Personally, I think BNSF did a good job of avoiding that. I miss the Santa Fe, but had respect for BN, and am not ashamed of my name appearing on BNSF business cards. Things could have been worse for both railroads if they had not merged with each other.
Sorry, John, I think you're casting the minority vote, for "crappy". However, you are entitled to have an opinion.
Now . . . back to Burlington Northern (the topic of this thread).
Rusty Traque posted:BN E unit painting during the thrilling days of yesteryear was a treat.
For the units that got repainted, some stainless steel paneled units got silver noses:
Rusty, that a was a good spread of BN E-units in various paint. A silver one like this was wrecked just coming into Seattle. A track worker left a short crossover switch improperly lined, and the E-unit went onto its side.
I have a BN P-S Hi-cube Box Car from Atlas O through JDs Trains and a BN ACF CenterFlow 3-bay covered hopper from MTH through Just Trains of Delaware. These are a few of my BN freight cars.
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John Pignatelli JR. posted:BN was a very fine railroad and so was the Santa FE(ATSF) then they merged and became a very crappy railroad.
They should break it up, it is like the Federal government, to big to operate correctly. I am sure there are many that would like to see that. I would Love to see my old warbonnets without the BN in it or the colorful BN with out the SF.
OK, what about the Frisco?
Great thread. BN is one of my favorites.
I thought the "hockey stick" white strip looked good on E and F units. But it made no sense on passenger cars. To me, it just seem to jar the eyes when looking at a passenger train.
One of my favorite locos was the NW-5 they got in the 1971 merger from Great Northern. Built on in HO but not in O yet.
Dick
Dominic Mazoch posted:John Pignatelli JR. posted:BN was a very fine railroad and so was the Santa FE(ATSF) then they merged and became a very crappy railroad.
They should break it up, it is like the Federal government, to big to operate correctly. I am sure there are many that would like to see that. I would Love to see my old warbonnets without the BN in it or the colorful BN with out the SF.
OK, what about the Frisco?
We still wear Frisco caps to this day.
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Lionel has had the plastic body Three-bay, open-top hopper with coal load since about 1991. That open-top hopper has never been produced in any of the Burlington Northern schemes, correct or incorrect. The trucks they should use are the roller bearing trucks on this modern open-top hopper.
The people at Lionel did have the Burlington Northern scheme put on the die-cast metal, three-bay, open-top hopper. The road number and paint scheme were for an open-top hopper that was shorter in height and length, with journal bearing trucks, instead of modern roller bearing trucks. It looks off kilter.
Andrew
falconservice posted:BN AMERICA 48' intermodal container in the OMAHA scheme can be produced by MTH. They need the BNAZ chassis for the BNAU containers.
Andrew
I have all of the BN trailers made by Atlas O years ago. They look nice on the 89 ft. flat crs I have. VBG
