C & S on the Way Of The Zephyr boxcar ?

Not sure if I understand the question.

Colorado & Southern, a subsidiary of CB&Q which operated the northern portion of #'s 1 and 2, the TEXAS ZEPHYR and unnamed passenger/mail trains 7 and 8.

What I found was the Colorado & Southern (C&S) was a railroad that bought up bankrupt or failing railroads around the late 1800s and then its successor was Burlington Northern.  That is what I found on Google.      Dennis.

Thanks, I found a map of their coverage and lots more. I may pull this one from my roster as it didn't appear to run in the upper Midwest.

The Colorado and Southern was known for operating three foot narrow gauge west out of Denver (maybe too well, as l encountered a local in a Denver show that insisted C&S was only narrow gauge .. not so).  Another (standard gauge)  subsidiary of Burlington was FW&D, Fort Worth and Denver, which was the third roadname the Burlington trains operated under getting from Texas to Cheyenne .

@Dave Ripp. posted:

What does the C & S on the Way Of The Zephyr boxcar stand for? I failed to find an answer on a google search.

Thanks

Colorado & Southern

The Colorado & Southern was controlled by the CBQ in 1908 and remained a subsidiary of the Burlington until after the BN merger.  The entity formally got merged into BN in 1981.  C&S also had its own subsidiary, the FW&D (Fort Worth & Dallas) that was merged into BN in 1982. 

Both roads had their own named Zephyr passenger trains among other interesting tidbits.

@Dave Ripp. posted:

Thanks, I found a map of their coverage and lots more. I may pull this one from my roster as it didn't appear to run in the upper Midwest.

You do know that a freight car's owner/reporting marks have nothing to do with "where it ran"? Essentially, a car can be loaded anywhere and shipped to anywhere within the US/Canada/Mexico. A C&S car can certainly show up in Miami or Minneapolis.

Now, there were and are particular patterns of car movement origination and destination (the Originating road and the Settling road) to be sure, and some roads' cars were/are rare in some areas.  But not out of the question.

Dave,

D500’s advice is good.

C&S boxcars ran on the BR system to wherever customers needed them to.  

Products from C&S territory (CO, WY, NM, & TX) certainly traveled from the west to wherever they were needed, often to & through CB&Q tracks.

Please keep that boxcar on your RR !!!

CB&Q Bill

@CBQ_Bill posted:

Dave,

D500’s advice is good.

C&S boxcars ran on the BR system to wherever customers needed them to.  

Products from C&S territory (CO, WY, NM, & TX) certainly traveled from the west to wherever they were needed, often to & through CB&Q tracks.

Please keep that boxcar on your RR !!!

CB&Q Bill

I'll hang on to it. It's the only Way of the Zepher's I have. I have a bunch red of everywhere west boxcars.

These are Atlas 40’ CS and FW&D wood reefers. They many or may not be for you but are very nice and look good when running together.

Prototype BR freight cars usually had the Everywhere West slogan on one side & the Way Of The Zephyrs slogan on the other side.

Sometimes the model manufactures have either one or the other slogan on both slides.

Before the existence of the Pioneer Zephyr in 1934, possibly Everywhere West was the only slogan on BR freight cars.

The National Park Line was another BR slogan.  I don’t know if it ever appeared on freight cars.

CB&Q Bill

Dave,

I believe I have the same car. I run it with Rio Grande or CB&Q. It feels right to me to do so.

Steve

I also have some Rio Grande equipment and was thinking the same thing.

@GG1 4877 posted:

The Colorado & Southern was controlled by the CBQ in 1908 and remained a subsidiary of the Burlington until after the BN merger.  The entity formally got merged into BN in 1981.  C&S also had its own subsidiary, the FW&D (Fort Worth & Dallas)

That is/was Fort Worth & Denver. Not "Dallas".

that was merged into BN in 1982.

Both roads had their own named Zephyr passenger trains among other interesting tidbits.

Opps Jack!  I had Texas on my mind when I was typing that.  Of course it is Denver. 

Dave Ripp, do you know who made that car?

Cars will roam all over, I have a picture of a C&S caboose I took in North Dakota in the early 80’s

In 1899, Colorado & Southern purchased the Fort Worth & Denver City Railway, which it met at the state line between Texas and New Mexico. Texas law at that time required that all railroads in Texas be headquartered in Texas, so instead of merging, C&S operated the FW&D as a wholly owned subsidiary. Burlington acquired the C&S in 1908, no doubt mainly to get access to Colorado mines. 

@GG1 4877 posted:

Both roads had their own named Zephyr passenger trains among other interesting tidbits.

I'd be interested in more information about that. At least with respect to the Texas Zephyr, which ran between Denver and Dallas, it was operated jointly on the C&S and FW&D. Same train.

The only other Zephyr I'm aware of that operated on their rails was the smaller Sam Houston Zephyr, which connected with the Texas Zephyr in Dallas, allowing passengers to continue on to Houston. Apparently, there weren’t enough through passengers to justify through cars or a through train.

@Ross posted:

Dave Ripp, do you know who made that car?

Cars will roam all over, I have a picture of a C&S caboose I took in North Dakota in the early 80’s

Weaver made the car (I think).  

Thanks Rob!

@Rob Leese posted:

Weaver made the car (I think).  

Correct.

Another nice item for this thread is this Atlas CB&Q/FW&D extended vision caboose.
Check out the markings - upper left of caboose.  😜👍

I have that one & never noticed.

@NOT LionelLLC posted:

Colorado & Southern

Ft. Worth & Denver (Lionel no. 52176)