Can anyone tell me what this car is?

Whose kit is that?...looks like Kasiner, or that outfit in Florida that made a kit for a scale RDC and other extruded aluminun passenger car kits.

It is a Bill Wolfer Mop diner.

Does anybody have a picture of the prototype?

Thanks for the info.

Looks to me like a Lou Cross custom built car.  Lou ended up with the BC models passenger car line after Bill (Walt) Cotton passed away.  Lou used brass instead of tin plated steel for the sides, ends, doors, and misc. stamped pieces.  Most of Lou's car went to Dan Pantera for final detail and finish.

How do I know this?  Lou tried to teach me his techniques and left everything to me.  Wish I'd paid more attention!

Not saying it isn't a Wolfer car but I wonder if Lou punched out the sides for Bill.  I simply don't know for sure.

Jay

Bill, Lou, Dan.......all great modelers.  Either way the work that has been done is excellent.  I just need to get pictures of the actual car so I can finish it up.

I looked through all my MP & Milwaukee Pullman books and couldn't find what you have there.  To stray off your topic focus once again, the sides (or car) may have been done by Dick Bregler.

As a side note, while sorting all of Lou brass car sides (there are literally thousands) I classified everything with round(ed) windows as being Milwaukee Road.  I may have to resort these.  Luckily there are only a couple of hundred with said window treatment.

Jay

Dick certainly was a major supplier of car sides to Dan Pantera. All of Dick's toolings now reside with Tom Mapes in PA.

VGN64 posted:

 Any care to help me out?  Thanks!!!

- Railroad Historical Societies

- Kalmbach Library Research Desk

- BrassCarSides.com

Easy - it's work.

I have gone thru society sites, picture sites, books............AGHHHH!!!

The PRR and UP also had a few porthole car windows.

VGN64 posted:

I have gone thru society sites, picture sites, books............AGHHHH!!!

Maybe that explains why it was for sale?

Build date: April 1st??

It may be a car that was modified after it came from the factory.  Knowing the people that do/did this level of work I can't see them doing an imaginary car but I can always be wrong.......actually lots of times...LOL.

Any help from the folks at BrassCarSides.com?

I looked thru all their stuff and it seemed pretty much standard Pullman Heritage products.

I'd send a picture of the car to Dan Pantera (Calumet Model Works) and ask if he recognizes the prototype.  He is one of the sharpest custom builders of O scale passenger trains and has a wealth of prototype info.

Missouri Pacific, Texas Pacific Colorado Eagle?

Volume 7, Pullman Library, Southwestern Railroads page 96 has pictures of MP diner number 740.  740 and 741 almost match the car I have except there are two long windows next to the kitchen door that aren't on car.  Perhaps they were plated over later in life.  Now to find a picture that matches the car or cut the windows out on my car. 

Youtube  Colorado O scalers video of the Colorado Eagle from MP looks the same ?   That would be Erik Lindgrens bunch,  and Bill Badsden is big on MP Eagles.

I looked at the videos and one car looks like its the car but I couldn't read the number on the car plus the car had the long pipe antenna on the roof and they are on the cars in the Pullman books.   I hope someone from the Colorado Club is reading this.

Thanks!!

It's really not for me to do but, I emailed one of your photos to Dan Pantera and asked him if he could tell us the prototype.  I also asked him if he knows anything about the model itself.

We'll see.

Jay

This Dan's reply.

You are the third person to ask about this car....it is a model of MP # 740 pre war diner. Dick Bregler punched four sets of sides for my MP project and they are in the shop now.

I had emailed this to Dan earlier this week and had replied.  Here is what I put up earlier which is what Dan shared with me as far as which car.  Volume 7, Pullman Library, Southwestern Railroads page 96 has pictures of MP diner number 740.  740 and 741 almost match the car I have except there are two long windows next to the kitchen door that aren't on my car.  Perhaps they were plated over later in life.  Now to find a picture that matches the car or cut the windows out on my car. 

The you tube videos by the Colorado club has the car running that matches mine.  I can't read the number on the car plus the car as the pipe antenna on a little over half of the roof.

Slowly but surely we will figure this out.

Thanks!!!

aterry11 posted:

Youtube  Colorado O scalers video of the Colorado Eagle from MP looks the same ?   That would be Erik Lindgrens bunch,  and Bill Badsden is big on MP Eagles.

https://youtu.be/CMq7jXwbYhk

Eric,

This is one of the videos I watched.  I can't see the car number but it does match what I have.  I need to add the roof antenna and try and get the correct roof vents on the car.  Do you have any pictures of the car without the window in the kitchen?  The measurements on the curved styling that are above and below  the windows would be fantastic.  I've looked on the MPHS and found nothing.........HELP!!!

Thanks, Ken

Stunning video.  Any idea from whence those models?  Key? Mac Shops?

I have to admit - I would go nuts if I had to view my passenger trains with a window arrangement drawing in hand.  Many of my cars were cut with an eye toward generic window arrangements.

The dome may be Mac Shops but I would think most of the cars were kits cut out by Lou Cross, Bill Cotton, Dick Bregler, American Lightweight.  I remember doing some MP kits for Pete Plunkett when he owned American Lightweight but we didn't supply the bulge on the sides and would draw the round windows for people to cut out themselves.

VGN64 and all,  Here is some clarity on origin. 20+ years ago Jim Seacrest ordered two each from Bill Wolfer, a Mop diner and observation car. I got one of each. I never inquired about how the sides were cut. No one has stated Wolfer did his own so I can`t say.  I finished the observation and that is in my Mo. River Eagle in the video. The diner is an etched brass wrapper from Des Plains Hobbies. VGN now has my diner. I probably used $60 of archer decal rivets on the observation. I have visited the restored car in the St. Louis transport museum and can say it is a pretty accurate model.  The two other Mop kits are currently buried in the Seacrest estate collection.   

According to Dick Bregler he did a lot of car sides for Bill Wolfer.  I don't believe Wolfer ever did his own sides.

Jefferson's Planetarium car like it has been stated in the comment on the video is an Atlas CZ dome coach. It has been modified of course.