Can not program ps3 diesel

Tim,

A few thoughts:

• Make sure th at the TIU's internal red LED is lit.
• Check to be sure that the engine's DCS/DCC switch is in the DCS position.
• If the problem persists, connect the TIU's Remote Input port to the remote's Programming port (on its "tail") with a curly,4-conductor telephone handset cable and see if things improve.

TJ Wallace posted:

It will start up on its own when power is applied ?? but will not respond to any commands from the remote,

So it's missing the watchdog signal on start up. Do you have a regular AC (handle) transformer or just a brick? Can you operate the engine in conventional mode? You may need to do a conventional reset first, 1 horn and five bell presses followed by the engine sounding horn blasts for confirmation.

What happens if you cut track power?

Is this 2 rail? 22 number series? DC power?

Edit: no matter how fast I type, Barry responds first! Listen to Barry first.

Barry Broskowitz posted:

Tim,

A few thoughts:

• Make sure th at the TIU's internal red LED is lit.
• Check to be sure that the engine's DCS/DCC switch is in the DCS position.
• If the problem persists, connect the TIU's Remote Input port to the remote's Programming port (on its "tail") with a curly,4-conductor telephone handset cable and see if things improve.

Thanks Barry, yes power light is on and it is dcs mode will try the phone cord

Thanks,

Engineer-Joe posted:

TJ Wallace posted:

It will start up on its own when power is applied ?? but will not respond to any commands from the remote,

So it's missing the watchdog signal on start up. Do you have a regular AC (handle) transformer or just a brick? Can you operate the engine in conventional mode? You may need to do a conventional reset first, 1 horn and five bell presses followed by the engine sounding horn blasts for confirmation.

What happens if you cut track power?

Is this 2 rail? 22 number series? DC power?

Edit: no matter how fast I type, Barry responds first! Listen to Barry first.

Hi Joe,

it is 3 rail i typed the wrong number, i do not have conventional set up only bricks.

i agree it is missing the signal but cant figure out why.

Thanks for your help,

Barry,

Tried the phone cord, no difference I have the DCS wifi will not recognize that either, all other engines perform as they should on program track, just not getting the signal. I can get it to run by turning ( only ) track power  on and off, but I know that it does get the watchdog by doing that.

Sound like a repair to you ?

Thanks,

willygee posted:

Is this engine new? If used i have had similar issue because address already being used .

I can not even get on the system so it is not able to share a address with another engine

Engineer-Joe posted:

 

You may need to do a conventional reset first, 1 horn and five bell presses followed by the engine sounding horn blasts for confirmation.

 

I have had brand new engines that acted up until I reset them. Take it back and ask them to do this. I can't remember the exact way it acts up?

Out of my fleet of DCS engines i had one with a defective dcc/dcs switch..i pulled the switch and wired for dcs only..this is probably rare though.

Engineer-Joe posted:

Engineer-Joe posted:

 

You may need to do a conventional reset first, 1 horn and five bell presses followed by the engine sounding horn blasts for confirmation.

 

I have had brand new engines that acted up until I reset them. Take it back and ask them to do this. I can't remember the exact way it acts up?

Thanks, maybe i will try that.

Similar to Willygee above, I have worked on several where one of the two wires to the DCS/DCC switch has come loose, which defaults to DCC mode.  Re-soldering back to the switch or as Willygee did, solder the two wires together fixed the problem.

willygee posted:

Out of my fleet of DCS engines i had one with a defective dcc/dcs switch..i pulled the switch and wired for dcs only..this is probably rare though.

Hi, i thought of that, i tried moving the switch to dcc thinking it could be wired wrong but no luck.

Thanks,

mrmacher posted:

Similar to Willygee above, I have worked on several where one of the two wires to the DCS/DCC switch has come loose, which defaults to DCC mode.  Re-soldering back to the switch or as Willygee did, solder the two wires together fixed the problem.

Thanks, maybe worth a look.

I had one of my engines the dcs wire was touching the dcc wire on the switch and all i did seperated them worked fine after that.

chessie1971 posted:

I had one of my engines the dcs wire was touching the dcc wire on the switch and all i did seperated them worked fine after that.

Thanks, I am going to look at the switch next

When you're looking at those switches, put your meter across the terminals and make sure they work. I had 2 or 3 that have been bad.

wrong # still?

http://mthtrains.com/20-20210-1

maybe one of these?

http://mthtrains.com/prod-search/sd70ace%20?f[0]=field_product_line%3A3934&f[1]=field_catalog%3A7086

that's just some of them, but there's more.

Some first gen PS3 engines, had screws on the truck's wires, that had black paint that blocked the signal. Others, had wires running right over the coils that need to be re-routed.

For a  conventional  reset you can actually set up a var channel to var mode ., turn off the dcs signal and use the remote for the fast bell & whistle combination.. Scroll voltage up to about 10 volts

Most of what you have  to do is found under  Menu/ System/ Dcs set up... I'm guessing this is in Barry's book if you have it.

Engineer-Joe posted:

When you're looking at those switches, put your meter across the terminals and make sure they work. I had 2 or 3 that have been bad.

wrong # still?

http://mthtrains.com/20-20210-1

maybe one of these?

http://mthtrains.com/prod-search/sd70ace%20?f[0]=field_product_line%3A3934&f[1]=field_catalog%3A7086

that's just some of them, but there's more.

Some first gen PS3 engines, had screws on the truck's wires, that had black paint that blocked the signal. Others, had wires running right over the coils that need to be re-routed.

Good advice from Joe..all my engines see the black  coated screws pulled and the coating removed where it sees the ring tongue connector. My latest premier SD70 had no black screws. Even if the screws look good put a screw driver on them and also make sure the wire position doesn't hit anything. These screws and pick ups are a critical component for dcs signal passage.

Did you try a recover engine?  G

GGG posted:

Did you try a recover engine?  G

Yes G tried that too, Thanks

Engineer-Joe posted:

When you're looking at those switches, put your meter across the terminals and make sure they work. I had 2 or 3 that have been bad.

wrong # still?

http://mthtrains.com/20-20210-1

maybe one of these?

http://mthtrains.com/prod-search/sd70ace%20?f[0]=field_product_line%3A3934&f[1]=field_catalog%3A7086

that's just some of them, but there's more.

Some first gen PS3 engines, had screws on the truck's wires, that had black paint that blocked the signal. Others, had wires running right over the coils that need to be re-routed.

Hi Joe, Been a long day cant see straight , number is 20-20215-1 

Thanks

Thanks for all the help, will have to try more of your tips tommorrow.

Thanks Guys,

What revision TIU are you using?  If the engine is starting up on its own every time, it is not just missing the watch dog, it doesn't recognize it.  So this could be hardware fault on PS-3 board, if your TIU equipment and such is good.  Engines that sit quiet, but not loading into remote, can be some of the problems mentioned.  G

Is your TIU and handheld remote updated to handle PS-3? I took my DCS system, TIU base & handheld remote to my favorite hobby shop in north Miami and they upgraded it for me, now I can PS-3 engines with it.

Lee Fritz

phillyreading posted:

Is your TIU and handheld remote updated to handle PS-3? I took my DCS system, TIU base & handheld remote to my favorite hobby shop in north Miami and they upgraded it for me, now I can PS-3 engines with it.

Lee Fritz

Yes all up to date, 10 other engines running without problem.

GGG posted:

What revision TIU are you using?  If the engine is starting up on its own every time, it is not just missing the watch dog, it doesn't recognize it.  So this could be hardware fault on PS-3 board, if your TIU equipment and such is good.  Engines that sit quiet, but not loading into remote, can be some of the problems mentioned.  G

All new versions of software, Thanks

I had a PS3 CR SD80MAC somehow got programmed to lock in reverse when I built a DCS consist with it as the lead engine. From then on, every time I applied power, the engine would start up, and start running in reverse. It would eventually run full speed seeing the track power at 18volts.

 It was cured with a conventional reset. I don't care if that sounds logical. That is what happened.

Sorry G. You are much better than I am with these things. I just know what happened and how I cured it.

There are some bugs in DCS that occur with varied results. Maybe someone else can explain how that one happened to me? I have pressed the heck out of the direction button as MTH suggested. It does not fix some bad results sometimes. For some reason, they don't occur with any regularity.

Engineer-Joe posted:

I had a PS3 CR SD80MAC somehow got programmed to lock in reverse when I built a DCS consist with it as the lead engine. From then on, every time I applied power, the engine would start up, and start running in reverse. It would eventually run full speed seeing the track power at 18volts.

 It was cured with a conventional reset. I don't care if that sounds logical. That is what happened.

Sorry G. You are much better than I am with these things. I just know what happened and how I cured it.

There are some bugs in DCS that occur with varied results. Maybe someone else can explain how that one happened to me? I have pressed the heck out of the direction button as MTH suggested. It does not fix some bad results sometimes. For some reason, they don't occur with any regularity.

Thanks Joe,

Are you going to give a conventional reset a try?   It's not that hard to set up a var channel to var mode and turn off the dcs signal.  Less than 5 minutes.   Scroll up the voltage and use the DCS remotes bell& whistle button for the combination. 

If you get hung up you  easily put things back  the way they were.

Joe, No reason to be sorry.  I always test conventional first.  I can control voltage, watch startup current, and do a conventional reset and make sure engine works in conventional.  I than shift to DCS.

His symptoms are different.  It always starts in conventional and stays in neutral.  Until the conventional test we can't go much farther.

Now there is wiring issues that can cause this.  Wires near signal transformer, wires under caps near components vice up over the caps, Bad DCS/DCC wiring, switch or pins at the connector.  If all this checked and still and issue, it is the board.  Given that TIU is latest and works with other PS-3.   If it stayed silent and caught the watch dog signal, but couldn't load, there are other things to look at.  G

GGG posted:

Joe, No reason to be sorry.  I always test conventional first.  I can control voltage, watch startup current, and do a conventional reset and make sure engine works in conventional.  I than shift to DCS.

His symptoms are different.  It always starts in conventional and stays in neutral.  Until the conventional test we can't go much farther.

Now there is wiring issues that can cause this.  Wires near signal transformer, wires under caps near components vice up over the caps, Bad DCS/DCC wiring, switch or pins at the connector.  If all this checked and still and issue, it is the board.  Given that TIU is latest and works with other PS-3.   If it stayed silent and caught the watch dog signal, but couldn't load, there are other things to look at.  G

OK Checked Dcs/Dcc switch and truck wires all seem good, I put engine on a separate conventional track, starts up as it should moves forward and reverse, bell and whistle all work. When i try to do the whistle, bell reset i do not get the conformation horn beep back. Still no luck adding to dcs

Thanks,Tim

could be the timing of the reset sequence. Try again with steady pushes of the buttons. She should take it when things are right. Good sign that she runs correctly anyways. Good info to move forward with.

I would bow out now, to whatever G suggests next.

Good advice from Barry, George and Joe.  If all that does not work, open the engine and carefully pull the 40 pin connector from the PS-3 board and then re seat it.

Marty Fitzhenry posted:

Good advice from Barry, George and Joe.  If all that does not work, open the engine and carefully pull the 40 pin connector from the PS-3 board and then re seat it.

O K   Thank you Marty, will check that too

Marty Fitzhenry posted:

Good advice from Barry, George and Joe.  If all that does not work, open the engine and carefully pull the 40 pin connector from the PS-3 board and then re seat it.

When you're doing this, DON'T PULL ON THE WIRES, you need to pull on the connector body!

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Marty Fitzhenry posted:

Good advice from Barry, George and Joe.  If all that does not work, open the engine and carefully pull the 40 pin connector from the PS-3 board and then re seat it.

When you're doing this, DON'T PULL ON THE WIRES, you need to pull on the connector body!

OK Thanks John

TJ Wallace posted:

Marty Fitzhenry posted:

Good advice from Barry, George and Joe.  If all that does not work, open the engine and carefully pull the 40 pin connector from the PS-3 board and then re seat it.

O K   Thank you Marty, will check that too

Marty, You were correct, pulled pin for a few seconds put back, remote addressed the engine right away.  Was the purpose to reset the board ?

Thank you and everyone for your help, Tim

Tim, I run into this situation often.  One thing I forgot to mention that John did, never pull on the wires.  I use a dental pick.  I rock each end of the plug from one side to the other until the connector comes loose.  I own several PS-3 diesels.  Every one I get I do this to and have no issue.

I never met the people who insert the connectors at the factory.   If you do it yourself, you know it is done right.  Remember 40 is a large number.  If it is done right at the factory it will never be a problem to the end user.  If it is not done right, you end up with what you did.  

What you did was not reset the board but reseat it so all pins make contact.  Pins one and two are the important ones.  They control the DCS/DCC mode.   

Marty Fitzhenry posted:

Tim, I run into this situation often.  One thing I forgot to mention that John did, never pull on the wires.  I use a dental pick.  I rock each end of the plug from one side to the other until the connector comes loose.  I own several PS-3 diesels.  Every one I get I do this to and have no issue.

I never met the people who insert the connectors at the factory.   If you do it yourself, you know it is done right.  Remember 40 is a large number.  If it is done right at the factory it will never be a problem to the end user.  If it is not done right, you end up with what you did.  

What you did was not reset the board but reseat it so all pins make contact.  Pins one and two are the important ones.  They control the DCS/DCC mode.   

Hi Marty, thats just what i did rocked both ends until it poped loose.

Thanks again for your time and the great tip. Tim

Good add Marty, I forgot to mention that.  I would also state to inspect the pins, every once in a while one is bent over some and it pushes through the plastic and does not engage in the connector. G