Saw a add today by Williams by Bachmann for they're new release scale GG1. They look nice but the msrp is $699.00, wow!
I know the street price will be lower but the msrp seems awfull high.
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Ouch, that's why I never buy new or from dealers.
Nobody care?
They will be reduced for York. A few years ago, I purchased many from Train World for very short money. The Williams G. Is a great locomotive. Great for DCS or ERR conversions.
david1 posted:Nobody care?
Nope, I don't. I have reached a point of no return on new toy/model train purchases due to the pricing structure. With WBB going this high, "F'get about it"!
Train prices are like sticker price on cars. Nobody except Hank Hill pays sticker price. Nobody. I laugh at the prices as they are just numbers. Anyone who wants any train will get it and not be scared over sticker price.
Your right Marty about the sticker price but for Bachmann posting a price of $699 may turn off newer hobbyist just getting into the hobby.
I think if they were more reasonable on they're msrp they would attract more people.
It's just my opinion.
Didn't some dealer have these for $175 a coupe of months ago? I bought one of these Williams plastic GG1's (PennCentral) new 5 - 6 years ago for $270 and thought that I was getting a bargain - and I was, at the time. And, I had to fix it right out of the box! (Broken solder joint on one of the pickup wires; no big deal, and a nice loco, but I though Wms was "perfect"...).
I've seen brass Weaver GG1's go for less than $699.
Your right Marty about the sticker price but for Bachmann posting a price of $699 may turn off newer hobbyist just getting into the hobby.
The cost of new trains and the space required to build even a modest layout are deterrents to anybody getting into the hobby.
IMHO, there is no point in worrying about the hobby's future. I think there will always be a relatively small group of people who enjoy "O" gauge trains, be it collecting or operating. The size of that group will shrink and grow, as will the size and number of companies serving the "O" gauge community.
Remember what Alfred E. Neuman said.
$699? There sound system is not all theat either. Can't a person get a PS2 version for that or less. TMCC is less as well.
JoeG
I got some great deals at York last year so I can wait. I do have my eye on Atlas O Master Dash 8-40 CW BNSF or Santa Fe. Both have TMCC and are $429.
Bachmann has kept all their online list prices about 30% higher than the average street sale for many years. They don't want to even come close to undercutting the hobby shops that carry their products.
After seeing the Whitcomb & price I felt it was obvious we would see more than Post War-ish stuff out of Williams; with prices to match too.
Still cheaper than what I'd expect to see new from others though.
Marty Fitzhenry posted:They will be reduced for York. A few years ago, I purchased many from Train World for very short money. The Williams G. Is a great locomotive. Great for DCS or ERR conversions.
yes they where getting rid of old style sound system in stock at cost so the new ones with the new sound system could be brought in. even with there discount there now like $400++
