Early Piggyback project (1940-1957) late steam early diesel & some of the very first 85-89' cars in 1957-1959!

Erik

 

Do you have any pics showing flat car details for mid to late fifties?

 

Doug

I found this interesting......................

Swafford- I know it is very interesting.

I agree!

In HO they have these auto carriers produced by a number of mfg's. One comes to mind Revell did sadly in H.O. As they called it.




       

       
       


I do I will need to dig them up.

Don't let Matt Jackson see that, he loves short trains and the ATSF.

Thanks

Seaboard had a few TOFC vans, but I don't think they owned any trailers.  Here's a few photos I found online:

 

 

Frisco Auto rack in 1958!

 

Regards,

Swafford

Thank you Swafford. This would be a project I would like to do. The Evans Auto Carrier also.

Styrene would work. (C) unknown however The following images come from : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/nycautorack.htm

Continuing efforts towards my early Trailer on Flat Car project. Please note the relatively poor snapshot photography I've taken.

In this installment:  (1/48 scale!!)

Watson Brothers Transportation of Omaha, NE owned a substantial fleet of tractor trailers. Often seen in piggyback consists of the early 50's in the west I needed to produce a set.


A Watson Bros truck seen in Colorado in 1952 with Mack over the road tractor (aluminum sleeper box).

Early 1950's Aluminum sleeper box

Watson Bros 1949 Fruehauf stainless 34' Van

Watson Bros truck with Kenworth

Truly 1950's TOFC intermodal Colorado and the west represented in O scale.

This picture shows the use of scrap rail use by ATSF on some Piggy Back flats.

 

 

Studio shots of my various cars and trailers for my Early Piggyback Project.

I was in the studio today, short on backdrops nontheless still worth the effort. Studio lighting always puts an emphasis on the subject. I will do some outdoor module shots in a few weeks as time allows.

Rio Grande Motorway trailers loaded on a C&O flat destined for St Louis and eastern markets.

Ringsby Truck Lines of Denver, Colorado and private carrier vans.

Private carriers were common on these trains and part of the reason the service was established. I make use of common vans such as this wonderful 1/48 scale 34' Fruehof stainless steel example offered from 1951-1957.

I had this Watson Brothers Freight Lines of Omaha Nebraska tractor and trailer set built by a pro-builder from the east coast for me. He makes custom resin and brass models; supplied reference material is no different than the process we go through with our brass builders in Korea. It is an extremely rare feature to add 1/48 scale tractor trailers to any O scale layout. Especially over the road 1950's era trucks seldom modeled in our scale.

As I have moved along in the project the Ringsby trailers are also an old 1/48 scale Revell Bekins van kit. An excellent model if you can find them suitable for finishing.

Waow! Fantastic!

 

I like!

 

Erik you give me the motivation for TOFC on my layout project.

 

These flatcars and the trailers are beautiful.

 

Great work and very good photos!

 

Jack

Thanks Jack, I have more to add later today.

More to see? Nice!

 

Thanks Erik.

 

I'm a french modeller and I begin to model a O scale US shortline set during the late 50's or the early 60's.

Your photos are plenty of informations for me. I learn a lot!

 

       
       


That's awesome Jack. I'm truly flattered. Like you I'm in search of information. I can only imagine how difficult it is to score random everyday history like trains, cars, structures, and so on in Europe. The Internet is a great tool. I do the same with my German/Swiss modeling.

So that's funny Erik:

 

I'm in France and I'm looking for informations for trains of the other side of the world (USA)

and you are in the USA and you are looking for informations for trains of the other side of the world (Germany, Swiss) !!!!

 

A fantastic photo and caption worth adding to this discussion. Kenton Forest of the Colorado Railroad Museum published this Denver Public Library image in "The Moffat Tunnel a brief history" published in 1986. Photo copyright  (C) Otto Perry courtesy the Denver Public Library

That's a great one Erik!  Thanks for posting.

Waow! Great photos of a nice ATSF car & trailer!!!!!!

 

Erik,

 

I'll be close to the German border on the next week for holidays. I don't speak German but in English there is a lot of possibilities.

 

If I can do something for you, just tell me...

 

Jack

 

       
       


Oh boy what a great offer.

Not sure at the moment. Thanks a bunch Jack

Oh yeah!

Erik on the 3rd picture down in your last posting how did you photoshop a real train to look like its on an O scale layout. or could it be that a 2 rail model train could look that realistic????????????

       
       


2 rail engineered models have a tendency to look this way.

3 rail models built to run on 2 rail to a degree despite being very well done still have high water pants, oversize detail, wide tread wheels etc. The Piggyback car is a Lionel! A 3 rail car - designed as such but converted. The water bottle is an OMI brass 2 rail 1:48 model with O5W wheels. The Key Imports beauty ahead of it; its in a class by itself, not a 3 rail model made to run on 2 rail. From down low and the right light they do look real. That is after all the objective of our end of the hobby. Thank you for the compliments I will pass them on to Bob Meyer.

Couldn't resist



This Photo by Passenger Train Collector

Wow Bob!

Bob Meyer sent some more drool material over of his Key L-96.

While on the subject of wildly awesome gravity defying big Real Grande power!

Hey Erik, Great Pics!!! Say I was wondering if you might email me( in profile) to discuss a possible project I discussed in Scott Mann's office a couple of weeks ago ? I thought you would be a good source for input.

Thanks Dean

Erik whats wrong with the coupler on the top one looks a little small oops sorry about that. as a 2 railer since 1976 i know the beauty and the scale appearance of 2 rail models. thanks for posting the comparison pics of the 2 FT's. why would anyone want that on their layout even the hallmark brass ones blow that away.

Just love the L96 with auxilary water car.  Have been enthused about that locomotive since my early childhood days (early '50's) and my copy of the Geoge B.Zaffo illustrated "The Big Book of Real trains"! https://img0.etsystatic.com/02...N.502089496_ply1.jpg

In those days, could not figure out what the contraption on the stack was (stack extension exhaust deflector)!

......And the L105. Was there ever a more macho looking locomotive?

I had the same book! How cool when I was a lad in the 1980's. Loved the passenger train overview - I have not seen it in years. Neat


       
       

       
       


You know I was unfair those Lionel FT's are cute. Neat stuff for an entirely different clan.

I like both in many different ways.

Hallmark FT's are neat. I never could agree with the windshield sculpt.

I can't understand why most US modelers like so much 3 rail trains? I'm so surprised to discover this world.

 

Here in France (and in Europe) there is only a few modelers who like 3 rail. More than 95% of the enthusiasts model 2 rail with fine details.

 

Maybe in France (and Europe) we are too serious with trains.

 

It's interesting to see the difference between a toy train FT and a model one. I think the running of the two kinds of engines is different too.

Erik the hallmarks were ok at best for the time frame when they came out in todays time frame not so much.

 

SJVRR i don't understand it either what you have accomplished in a minimal space as well as not having a large investment shows that 2 rail is not that hard to accomplish. to me i would rather have a small layout that has a realistic appearance than a larger one where i have to close my eyes to the large couplers, big flanges and worst of all that 3rd rail. i have been in both but i will stay in 2 rail. my opinion not trying to make anyone angry.

George he is "really" writing about the spectrum of O scales not HO.

I believe he is eluding to the same dynamic I am; not worth explaining.

No harm was meant to any 3RS or 3 rail fans. I am a huge Post War Lionel fan... Never do I compare the sort of authentic appearance of my prize mint 1949 era 2333's with a state of art stereo lithograph scanned tooled Key Model Imports FT.

Can we fight about this on a different thread not on Early Piggybacking.


European o scale modeling is incredible. They are light years ahead of us in scenery and detail. OM is astounding; incredible stuff. As real as it gets. Period
No 3' high rail of 1/25 scale couplers on their 1/45 scale stuff. NO SIR