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I was running some trains this morning and had something happen that's never happened before.

 

I have 4 PS2 engines on the layout, I was running the 2-8-0 around and after a few laps brought it into the yard, while I was doing this I selected and started up the 0-6-0 switcher, then reselected the 2-8-0.

 

After disconnecting the engine from the train I moved it onto the turntable and parked it on a section off the TT, then shut it down.

 

I went to use the 0-6-0 to breakdown the train, but forgot to select it, the handheld was still showing the 2-8-0 on the screen.

 

When I moved the thumbwheel, the 2-8-0 started moving, but no sounds or lights came on.  I immediately scrolled down to 0smph and the engine stopped, selected the 0-6-0 and went about my business.  Thought that was odd.

 

After I parked the 0-6-0 and performed the shutdown, I scrolled the thumbwheel (with the 0-6-0 showing on the screen) and it started moving also!!!  Did the same thing, scrolled the thumbwheel back to 0smph.

 

So then I tried it with the other 2 engines on the layout (4-6-0 and 2-8-2), selected each one in turn but did not press startup.  Each engine (when selected) .started moving when I scrolled the thumbwheel.

 

I've never seen this before, but I've also never left the handheld with the last engine used selected (showing on the screen) before either, and scrolled the thumbwheel.

 

I'm about to re-wire the layout (along with adding on/off switches to the sections coming off the TT), so this may go away.

 

But is what I saw normal?  Has anyone done/tried/seen this?  Is this maybe a reason why folks post that they've had engines move on their own?

 

If a person is operating an engine and another person with a handheld scrolls his thumbwheel with a different engine showing on the screen (not yet selected and started up), will the same thing happen?

 

Again, no sounds, no lights, but I could control the speed of the engine and change direction.

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If I'm following you correctly....  shutting down the engine doesn't actually shut down control of it.  That only plays the shutdown sound and stops the lights and smoke.  The engine is still fully functioning in terms of moving, direction, and couplers.  Shutting down the engine only stops sounds, lights, and smoke.  

 

I actually run my locomotives "shutdown" a lot.  

Now the part of engines moving on their own is something different. That's when you are running an engine and a parked engine starts creeping out that's not up on the remote. I always put parked engines in the INACTIVE list to keep it from happening.

Never had it happen since.

 

That's the reason many use toggle switches to keep it from happening, plus it keeps the hours from running up on the engine.

Originally Posted by tackindy:

If I'm following you correctly....  shutting down the engine doesn't actually shut down control of it.  That only plays the shutdown sound and stops the lights and smoke.  The engine is still fully functioning in terms of moving, direction, and couplers.  Shutting down the engine only stops sounds, lights, and smoke.  

 

I actually run my locomotives "shutdown" a lot.  

Correct!

 

Thanks Joe, I recall seeing the term "Stealth Mode", but thought that Stealth Mode and engines moving on their own was the same, from reading your description I now know the difference.

 

I have the on/off switches in place, just haven't done the wiring yet.

 

As long as I ensure I have the correct engine selected when I operate I should be fine.

Bob, even then, it is possible that under certain conditions and rarely an engine shut down on a powered track may start moving on its own.  Sometimes a spark on the layout may do it, and I had one loco that would start moving when I started another that had a different ID.  Never figured out why, but changing the ID of the problem loco solved the problem.  I too use toggle switches to unpower tracks, unless I want to charge batteries.  I avoid the inactive list; wish I could eliminate it, since the grandkids sometimes hit the read button while locos are shut down.

Robert,

I avoid the inactive list; wish I could eliminate it, since the grandkids sometimes hit the read button while locos are shut down.

While I'm, not a big  fan of the Inactive List either, it's absolutely necessary for using the ALL ENGINES command. A better solution would be a way to put an "Are You Sure?" message on the READ function.

Robert,

If my memory is correct, in some versions of the DCS software, it won't add locos that are sitting on an area controlled by a TIU other than the one where they were when added to the system.

That's not correct as stated.

 

The bug had to do with getting an engine out of the Inactive List, even when in Super TIU mode, when it's not on a track connected to the TIU with which it was last associated.

 

That was corrected in DCS 4.30.

Last edited by Barry Broskowitz

Barry and RJR,

 

While I know you aren't fond of the INACTIVE list, I find it much easier to use going from one engine to another without a lot of scrolling to find engines when you just have the ones you are running in the ACTIVE list. 

 

I can't imagine going through 50 or more engines all in the ACTIVE list, just to find the ones to run.

Originally Posted by RJR:

Joe, you've just got to run trains more, and then you'll know them.  It's just as much a pain to scroll through the inactive list.

RJR,

Your probably right as I haven't been running them too much lately since we built our new shop. But if I need to leave an engine on a live track to charge up the battery while running others, I've never had an engine creep out when in the INACTIVE list.

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