In some photos of the equipment on display at the 1949 Chicago Railroad Fair, I see a German 52 Class 2-10-0 "Kriegslok" I can assume it was on display as a "war prize". But what happened to it?
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Read that the US Army brought two German Federal 2-10-0's back to the USA after WWII. Perhaps for use at the Army Fort Eustis Railroad Training Camp? Maybe this one at the RR Fair was one? I attended the Fair, but don't recall seeing it........but then I was just short of 4 years old!
At least 4 German steam locomotives were brought to the US after the war and tested at Fort Eustis, the one at the fair had to have been one of the first three here:
- 42 1597, a 2-10-0
- 52 2006 KON, a 2-10-0 Kreigslok
- 52 3674, another 2-10-0 standard Kreigslok
- Though not related to the question, the most interesting locomotive brought back was V19 1001, an experimental V8 (yes, you read that right) streamlined passenger locomotive
Sadly, all were scrapped by the mid 50s.
Originally Posted by p51:
At least 4 German steam locomotives were brought to the US after the war and tested at Fort Eustis, the one at the fair had to have been one of the first three here:
- 42 1597, a 2-10-0
- 52 2006 KON, a 2-10-0 Kreigslok
- 52 3674, another 2-10-0 standard Kreigslok
- Though not related to the question, the most interesting locomotive brought back was V19 1001, an experimental V8 (yes, you read that right) streamlined passenger locomotive
Sadly, all were scrapped by the mid 50s.
Actually the V19 1001 was four V2's (not the rockets). Each axle had a 2 cylinder steam engine in a V2 arrangement geared to it. Kind of like a steam version of a traction motor.
More information: Steam Motor Locomotives
Stuart
Originally Posted by Stuart:
Actually the V19 1001 was four V2's (not the rockets). Each axle had a 2 cylinder steam engine in a V2 arrangement geared to it. Kind of like a steam version of a traction motor.
More information: Steam Motor Locomotives
Stuart
No offense, but I'll go with what the actual Army reports from the locomotive tests from the late 40s over someone's website any day.
Regardless of what you call it - a V8 or a quadruple V-twin - the V19 is an interesting concept because it is such a modular/scalable design. Since each axle has its own power, so you could make a bigger and proportionally more powerful loco (2-10-0) by adding an axle-cylinder set, or bigger still by adding two, etc.) and just scaling up the boiler, etc. No need to re-engineer the engines (cylinders, valves, etc., themselves - and maintenance and parts supply would be easier since parts and procedures would be identical, etc.
Too bad the Kriegsloks were scrapped. I could see them being used in WWII reenactments.
Aaron
Aaron
Man, I can see it now! Get Lee Willis to do one of these with a set of side pipes, and Garbage Can sized collectors. Wonder what kinda grind on the cam you'd have to have, to make it sound like a Blown Big Block. Lee Willis, if you don't have the time for this one, maybe John Force would!
...............Ha,Ha!.........................................Brandy!
Maybe 55gallon Drums for collectors, enlieu of garbage cans..................
Unless these various V units are interconnected, I can see some serious potential adhesion issues. B&O was considering just such a design after the George Emerson Duplex episode, and wisely scrapped the whole affair ...instead opting for EMC/ EMD E units for varnish.
Originally Posted by jaygee:
Unless these various V units are interconnected, I can see some serious potential adhesion issues. B&O was considering just such a design after the George Emerson Duplex episode, and wisely scrapped the whole affair ...instead opting for EMC/ EMD E units for varnish.
I looked to me like the driver bar connected across various axles. If that were engineered right (and these are Germans, right?) that ought to take care of it.
Originally Posted by p51:
No offense, but I'll go with what the actual Army reports from the locomotive tests from the late 40s over someone's website any day.
No offense, but I'll go with what Richard Roosen [ the 19 1001's project engineer -- see his autobiography "Ein Leben für die Lokomotive" ] uses: multiple two cylinder
V steam motors, aka V2.
And adhesion was a big problem with the locomotive as the drive units were not connected. To be fair, it was designed for short, lightweight trains in highspeed service, and with the onset of the Hitler War it never really got a chance to run under those conditions.
Best, SZ
