GGD SEABOARD AIR LINE SILVER METEOR (and PRR Cars) PRICES ANNOUNCED!!!

Yes, we are planning production late 2016.

Scott

That's great Scott!!!  Thanks to you and Bob Heil (and the guys/gals overseas)!

Now we're cookin!!!

Terrific news--that I didn't need. Still digesting the cost of the B&O Cincinattian set, my allowance for 2016.

Oh, well.

rex desilets posted:

Terrific news--that I didn't need. Still digesting the cost of the B&O Cincinattian set, my allowance for 2016.

Oh, well.

Rex,  Good news. What that really means is early 2017 - the start of a new budget. I was surprised by how many inquiries Jonathan Peiffer and I had about both the Meteor train and extra cars at TCA  York last week.  Some PRR modelers were unaware that the extra coaches and 10 and 6 sleepers  are available correctly lettered Pennsylvania. One person even commented about RF&P coaches but that probably won't be done unless Scott gets some inquiries.

Bob D - I am happy that this has come to fruition. Thank you for your efforts on the project.

Thanks Bob, it's been fun being part of this.

Will we be seeing progress photos/reports as these are being done?

Are GGD cars all track power lighting or is battery power available too?  Lighting will be LEDs right?  I really like the idea of a reed switch and magnetic wand to operate battery-powered LEDs.

If Scott would offer the RF&P car that is also good for N&W and can be used with the Powhatan cars just received.

How about it Scott?

Stephen

nw2124 posted:

If Scott would offer the RF&P car that is also good for N&W and can be used with the Powhatan cars just received.

How about it Scott?

Stephen

How about a true N&W Pm coach instead?

Jim:

Jim: Variant or not it was used on the N&W and part of the N&W history. All would be needed is for Scott to use the PRR extra car and just re-letter it for the RF&P.

Stephen

Lettering aside, is there an actual difference between the PRR and SAL coach and 10-6 extra cars? And will the sun lounge be made available separately? That was tossed around at some point.

Boilermaker1 posted:

Lettering aside, is there an actual difference between the PRR and SAL coach and 10-6 extra cars? And will the sun lounge be made available separately? That was tossed around at some point.

 

No difference except lettering on the SAL, PRR, and RF&P cars.

I really considered this set, but decided it was just too much money for me to spend on a railroad I really don't model. However, I would reserve a couple of RF&P coaches if Scott decided to produce them.

Ken

Here's a view of all 3 RRs 52-seat coaches:

Maybe the individual cars could be made with loose letter/name/number boards, having all 3 RRs boards in the box so the buyer could determine which cars he wanted to apply???

Bob Delbridge posted:

Maybe the individual cars could be made with loose letter/name/number boards, having all 3 RRs boards in the box so the buyer could determine which cars he wanted to apply???

Bob - great idea but I can hear the complaints now. Added cost and too difficult to glue the letterboards to the cars.

rheil posted:

Bob - great idea but I can hear the complaints now. Added cost and too difficult to glue the letterboards to the cars.

Yeah, how unfortunate.

Put them on so they can be easily removed (without marring the paint), that way folks can make their own boards!!!

That RF&P board would be HUGE.

rheil posted:

Bob Delbridge posted:

Maybe the individual cars could be made with loose letter/name/number boards, having all 3 RRs boards in the box so the buyer could determine which cars he wanted to apply???

Bob - great idea but I can hear the complaints now. Added cost and too difficult to glue the letterboards to the cars.

It's always that way, isn't it?

Bob D and Rex,

Just returned from a walk which usually gives me incentive to resolve issues. After considerable thought, I believe the best solution will be for Scott to offer RF&P cars. Although providing letter boards and car name/number boards for all three roads with the cars seems to be the most logical solution my experience tells me it won't work from a business standpoint for Scott.

I will suggest that Scott offer RF&P cars for those that want them.

Excellent, I'll add one of the RF&P cars to my set!

This is going to make me look at all the consists listed in the books I have to see which/if other RRs were mixed into the Meteor.

So are the RF&P cars going to be posted on the GGD website for reservations?

Ken

kanawha posted:

So are the RF&P cars going to be posted on the GGD website for reservations?

Ken

Eventually, Scott is traveling to the orient now. It will possibly be several weeks before he would update the web site, but I will send him an e-mail today telling him he should add the RF&P option. I suspect it will be some time in 2017 before we would see this set, but you never know. Sometimes builders have an opening and push projects ahead of the expected schedule.

I need to look at the info Bob Delbridge sent me to see whether coaches and sleepers should be made available in RF&P or just coaches.

Bob H, it was just the 52-seat coaches for RF&P, PRR and both 52-seat coaches and 10-6 sleepers:

I contacted the RF&P Historical Society model editor (Craig Harrison) (RFandP.org) to let him know about GGD possibly doing these cars.  Hopefully he'll put the word out.

Thanks, Bob D. I'll tell Scott to just announce coaches for RF&P.

Bob H, 

Are these cars skirted or unskirted? The GGD webpage shows an unskirted sleeper and a skirted coach as example photos.... 

rex desilets posted:

Terrific news--that I didn't need. Still digesting the cost of the B&O Cincinattian set, my allowance for 2016.

Oh, well.

Could be worse, Rex. There could also be a locomotive offering to go with it. My gut tells me that a 3rd Rail/GGD announcement is coming that's going to hit me next year, so I'm supplementing the "slush fund."

AGHRMatt posted:

rex desilets posted:

Terrific news--that I didn't need. Still digesting the cost of the B&O Cincinattian set, my allowance for 2016.

Oh, well.

Could be worse, Rex. There could also be a locomotive offering to go with it. My gut tells me that a 3rd Rail/GGD announcement is coming that's going to hit me next year, so I'm supplementing the "slush fund."

3rd Rail is offering the B&O E-27 Consolidation. Likely in this year. I'd really like to have one, but the slush fund just isn't big enough. *sigh*

Boilermaker1 posted:

Bob H, 

Are these cars skirted or unskirted? The GGD webpage shows an unskirted sleeper and a skirted coach as example photos.... 

 

Only Bob and Scott know for sure, but the data (photos and drawings) I sent them had the skirts on.  I know Seaboard removed the skirts during their years of service.

Don't I recall Scott saying one of the sets they were thinking about doing had removable skirts???  Maybe he was just throwing it out there and it never happened.

I will go for the 2 PRR cars and would also buy the RF&P, a nice Sun car. Please Mr. Scott.

You da man!

Rex, I saw these cars heading to NYC being pulled by a GG1 on the corridor many times. Go for it, as someone said, just buy the wife a nice shiny Bubble.

Or borrow the money from Matt.

John

Boilermaker1 posted:

Bob H, 

Are these cars skirted or unskirted? The GGD webpage shows an unskirted sleeper and a skirted coach as example photos.... 

 

Very good question to which I currently  have no answer. I would think whatever seems to be the prevalent opinion of those who reserve would be the choice. Due to a builder mistake the recent N&W Powhatan Arrow project had to have separate skirts produced for customer add on.  Is that a possibility for these cars? I suppose so. I would pick skirted cars as the standard offering if it were my decision. But the real question is what do you guys reserving the train want?

One thing is for sure - you won't easily remove the skirts from an extrusion made with skirts.

Keep in mind that in order to keep costs down these cars will use the generic GGD streamlined car underbody as used on other projects. If the cars are unskirted I can anticipate complaints stating that the battery boxes are in the wrong location, etc. Skirting tends to hide that issue.

Gilda Radner (Roseann Rosannadana from SNL) was correct "if it's not one thing it's another but it's always something." It's never easy.

rheil posted:

kanawha posted:

So are the RF&P cars going to be posted on the GGD website for reservations?

Ken

Eventually, Scott is traveling to the orient now. It will possibly be several weeks before he would update the web site, but I will send him an e-mail today telling him he should add the RF&P option. I suspect it will be some time in 2017 before we would see this set, but you never know. Sometimes builders have an opening and push projects ahead of the expected schedule.

I need to look at the info Bob Delbridge sent me to see whether coaches and sleepers should be made available in RF&P or just coaches.

i am slowly making my colonial (NH) to run on my layout. 

according to an official prr document,  consists of all trains out of NYC.  the colonial on the day in the document, on the other side of the baggage, there were 3 seaboard  coaches and one rf&p 10/6 Pullman.  they were from silver star & one other sbd train .  i presume they were deadheading from NYC to Washington, but this is pure speculation. 

this makes case for rf&p 10/6 Pullman as realistic.  however whether it was ever used on silver meteor, i do not know, but it did exist.

mikeg

Mike, The RF&P 10-6 sleeper probably did exist, but during the course of researching the Silver Meteor I only concentrated on those cars, of which the PRR Budd 52-seat coach and Budd 10-6 sleeper, and the RF&P 52-seat coach, were built at the same time.

It's most likely not the same configuration as the Budd 10-6.  I REALLY wanted the Pullman 10-6 so I could have the SAL PORTSMOUTH, but it would have required a different extrusion for the body.

I vote for making these cars with skirts, except for the extra PRR cars which didn't have skirts. One way or the other, but not add-ons, please.

The add-on skirts we made for the 300 N&W Cars cost $10,000. It's a very expensive add-on. They required a lot of engineering, etching brass, press works as they call it to put the right curvature in the skirt, castings, soldering, painting. We were lucky to have the right people to make them. The management at the factory that made the Powhatan cars would not take responsibility for the error. So I pulled the plug on any future projects with them. Mistakes happen on both sides, but no factory should push the 100% of the blame on their customer. It was pattern of abuse that I saw since the new management arrived. So I am not their customer anymore. Whew!!! that was a long and awful experience. Onward....

Scott Mann

I agree Scott, let's make them as they originally came from the factory.

sdmann posted:

I vote for making these cars with skirts, except for the extra PRR cars which didn't have skirts. One way or the other, but not add-ons,

So, there you have it.  Sounds like SBD and RF&P cars will have skirts. PRR will not. That makes it easier.

Bob Delbridge posted:

Mike, The RF&P 10-6 sleeper probably did exist, but during the course of researching the Silver Meteor I only concentrated on those cars, of which the PRR Budd 52-seat coach and Budd 10-6 sleeper, and the RF&P 52-seat coach, were built at the same time.

It's most likely not the same configuration as the Budd 10-6.  I REALLY wanted the Pullman 10-6 so I could have the SAL PORTSMOUTH, but it would have required a different extrusion for the body.

The RF&P had three P-S 10-6's that apparently were built to blend in with the Budd cars. They had fully fluted sides and roof and look really close to the Budd cars. However, a close examination of the pictures show the fluting styles between the Budd and P-S cars are slightly different so it would probably need a different extrusion. I didn't check to see if the Budd and P-S window arrangements were the same. RF&P also had several P-S smooth sided 10-6's painted to match the PRR and N&W.

I agree with all the cars having skirts mainly because the GGD underframe leaves a lot to be desired. Hide it as much as possible. Better detailed underframes would be great in the future, but to do it right you would need three different ones - Budd, P-S, and ACF.

Ken

Ken, that's correct.

The Budd 10-6 (MIAMI below) had small fluting on the roof, above the windows, and on the skirting:

The Pullman 10-6 (PORTSMOUTH below) had small fluting on the roof, large fluting above and below the windows, and small fluting on the skirting:

The window patterns are also different, the Budd windows appear to be taller also.

Talk about SAL 10-6 sleepers drove me nuts until I finally caught on the the differences.

SAL also had ACF cars, with a different fluting pattern and smooth roofs.

When I made my (Pullman) Sun-Lounge car using an OK Engines Budd extrusion, I ended up removing every other flute above the windows and all from the roof:

Something I do not ever want to do again, and fortunately won't have to now with GGD making it.

Since the Seaboard Sun-Lounge is a P-S car, won't that require a different extrusion than the rest of the Meteor cars which are Budd cars?

Ken

Ken,

Yes, but it's not the same as what the extrusion would be for any other Pullman, being the roof is smooth (lateral "ribs/lapping" only):

If you can enlarge the Pullman 10-6 you'll see small fluting the length of the roof.  I was stumped for years on what the differences were between the Budd and PS cars until I enlarged the photo.