Just got a Sunset Models announcement and as everybody was asking for Scott is doing the Super Chief and the Olympian Hiawatha. Man, Im gonna need a 7th job.
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I thought the same thing when I saw the announcement. There may have been a few choice words in there too 
IF the Superchief ain't in Amtrak, then I am SAFE!
I wish Scott added the Solarium Cars to this announcement. Too Many Observation cars. I need something Different!
Ok! I just got a call from 3rd rail and my order for the Amtrak Superdome! I mentioned to Mrs. Mann that Scott should SERIOUSLY consider the Solarium cars- both two and Three Payne styles ( as the PRR had Both!) The scale cars are non existent in 3 rail and there are few two rail cars out there. With the production starting on Heavyweight cars again, we MIGHT just have a shot! I also mentioned my thread about them which has generated some interest.
These girls won't be lonely anymore! A dream come true!
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Im pushing for the Erie Builts to pull the Hiawatha
Im hoping for a mid 2019 delviery on both of em.
J Daddy posted:Ah nuts... This is just crazy! You mean we could actually see a 1939 pacific class Hiawatha F7 be produced fully streamlined with all the cars in the next year?
KISS MY WALLET GOOD BYE!
For the Olympian Hiawatha? No. The F7 Hudsons were at the end of their days in 1947 when that train was created. Sunset is showing the famous Skytop Lounge car, so the motive power options would be early diesels, most likely an EMD FP7 or F-M Erie-Built consist, but also EMD E7 or E9 consists.
Here’s the link to the announcement. No mention of any motive power that I could find:
Thanks for clarifying ... whew ... that could have been really costly bringing that set by the wife!
The GN Man posted:No SuperDome for the Olympian Hiawatha ???
The description on the website says they will be available as extra cars since they were added after 1952.
Theyll be crazy spendy like the full domes for the Empire Builder
Jim R. posted:J Daddy posted:Ah nuts... This is just crazy! You mean we could actually see a 1939 pacific class Hiawatha F7 be produced fully streamlined with all the cars in the next year?
KISS MY WALLET GOOD BYE!
For the Olympian Hiawatha? No. The F7 Hudsons were at the end of their days in 1947 when that train was created. Sunset is showing the famous Skytop Lounge car, so the motive power options would be early diesels, most likely an EMD FP7 or F-M Erie-Built consist, but also EMD E7 or E9 consists.
Here’s the link to the announcement. No mention of any motive power that I could find:
A ribbed Hiawatha (morning and afternoon) with beaver tail would be more appropriate for my E6, but I just love that skytop.
For those that need a streamline Hudson, do not forget that these have been exquisitely done in brass in the past. I think Weaver's came with tinplate wheels, although not sure. I dislike most streamline steam, but this and the Weaver Blue Goose were really well done, even though I would not go out of my way for either prototype.
So are these to be plastic, or aluminum? If aluminum, are the domes and Skytop ends metal?
I agree - pull these with an Erie-Built or a Bi-Polar.
bob2 posted;
So are these to be plastic, or aluminum? If aluminum, are the domes and Skytop ends metal?
Bob,
They will be aluminum like the other GGD streamlined passenger cars except for the full length dome car which will be brass.
Not to be off topic - but I'm very happy to see the heavyweight cars return too. I'll be loading up on N&W Baggage cars for sure on this announcement.
I mentioned to Scott at York that the N&W crowd has a need for good scale passenger equipment and I hope he keeps making more!! I have lots of Js needing trains to pull.
And Scott, if you are reading this please don't forget about the Southern Tenneessean too.
There’s a whole topic just about the heavyweights
Darn you Scott...you're killing me...
Mill City posted:Darn you Scott...you're killing me...
Indeed! That means he listens to us!
SANTIAGOP23 posted:Mill City posted:Darn you Scott...you're killing me...
Indeed! That means he listens to us!
I sometimes wish Scott's hearing was a little less acute...
Note that the Super Chief is the 1938 (sometimes called Super 3) version with Pullman sleepers and Budd other cars.
Another thing further down in the announcement is the potential replacement of the SD40-2 with the GP40-2.
I never owned GGD Cars before but I'm really tempted to order the Olympian Hiawatha set.... I hope 3rd Rail makes the Erie Built Locos to match!!!
You won't be disappointed.
Remember, the Erie-Builts have been done, and in Milwaukee with the chrome. It might be foolish to start over - just have Atlas do another run to match. Cooperation . . . Not such a bad thing.
bob2 posted:You won't be disappointed.
Remember, the Erie-Builts have been done, and in Milwaukee with the chrome. It might be foolish to start over - just have Atlas do another run to match. Cooperation . . . Not such a bad thing.
I've seen the Atlas Erie Built's and they are nice. I've been trying to buy some these last couple months. They are just difficult to get a hold of in good shape.
Although I was hoping that Scott's next Milwaukee Road project would be a 2-6-6-2 N1, N2 or N3 Mallet this is still a welcome announcement.
Just have Atlas do another run, Are you serious? Even if they still have the tooling it’ll take them an eternity to get the things to market. Aren’t those Erie Builts from Atlas from the old Rivarossi tooling? If Scott dies em they’ll be magnitudes above the Atlas and they’ll run smooth as silk
Scott thank you very much !!!! we're talking Skyline observation which is one of the most beautiful ever created. We're talking not only Milwaukee Road, We're talking Union Pacific were also talking about Canadian National were talking I'm going to go broke . Thanks Scott!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think I'm over Santa Fe passenger cars; the MILW OLy Hiaws here I come!
Originally posted by Matt Makins:
Aren’t those Erie Builts from Atlas from the old Rivarossi tooling?
NO! Atlas O Made Stunning Erie Builts!
Rivarossi NEVER Made Erie Builts - Only C liners.
MTH made Erie- builts too... Abeit all with early FM fabricated A-1-A trucks that were incorrect for the roads they painted.
However. I still like my MTH C-Liners though!
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Matt Makens posted:Just have Atlas do another run, Are you serious? Even if they still have the tooling it’ll take them an eternity to get the things to market. Aren’t those Erie Builts from Atlas from the old Rivarossi tooling? If Scott dies em they’ll be magnitudes above the Atlas and they’ll run smooth as silk
Rivarossi Erie Builts? I think you’re thinking of the old C-Liners. I can’t recall Rivarossi ever doing an Erie Built. I had assumed Atlas created its own tooling for its model, but, regardless, I agree that it would take Atlas forever to bring them back to the market, assuming Atlas even still has the tooling.
If Scott produced an FP7, that would be cool, too, but I would also prefer Erie Builts.
Atlas still has parts! I have a pair of sides at a sand cast foundry. Atlas was kind enough to send all of the doors and grillwork to fit their exquisitely detailed body.
I messed with the nose, and got a brass casting with the early B-17 windows, and now only await the sides.
I think the Atlas F-M was the definitive Erie-Built. I am sure the dies still exist (why would they throw them away?). Just saw an A unit go for a whole ot of $ on eBay, so there is some demand.
Your right, I was thinking of the C liners. Those Atlas units are nice, as all my Atlas locos are, but Atlas is struggling to get the locos done these days. The ones they are doing now, the 2nd run f3s is the 4th run of that loco frame in like 4 years and we haven't seen too much else form them. They're re running the same stuff over and over. They are long on announcements and low on deliveries I'm wondering if they didn't lose tooling back when of they lost their manufacturer. They wouldn't throw them away but they could've been lost in the great Chinese train shake up several years ago. I'm purely speculating on the tool loosing, I love Atlas stuff, its very nice with lots of detail and a nice electronics package and they can be had for about $420 new. That is a pretty affordable price for what it is. I hope they get it together and make some more good trains
FP7s would be a nice little fit for that too
I hope that Scott offers the Skytops as separately available cars in addition to the cars in sets. I'd hate to have to use a K-Line Skytop (though their Skytops aren't horrible and the car available is the car name I need, Cedar Rapids). Without a doubt Scott's Skytops will be miles ahead of what K-Line could have dreamed of doing. We'll just have to see if Cedar Rapids is made.
Reason I want that car specifically is because I'm trying to get a good amount of scale-length models of private railcars to tack on the end of a scale Superliner consist. Either way, I'm broke for the next few years as I only have 1 out of 10 or 12 Superliners for your average consist and sourcing the limited edition Atlas CZ cars is a nightmare in my experience. Hopefully someday Silver Solarium pops up for sale, then I'll have reason to snag Silver Lariat. And of course I still need a Hi-Level lounge but 3R is sold out and 2R isn't worth trying to convert. Even if they weren't sold out, I don't exactly have $349 to drop on a single car lol.
Anyways, I'm glad Scott came out with another awesome thing for me to drool over, two world-famous and gorgeous name trains no less. I'll be waiting for the YouTube reviews.
I have 3 of the Atlas Erie-Builts (the three Santa Fe units, two of which are powered). I was never happy about the windshield shape (the outer third of the upper edge should have curvature and the inboard two-thirds should be straight) but, except for that, they are typically bullet proof Atlas models. I do notice a very faint, high-pitched, hum, typical of Engineer-on-Board, and have thought about replacing the EOB with Electric Railroad Company electronics, but the bell and the horn are the best of any of my 20 diesels. The bell sounds like a brass bell, typical of diesel-electrics built in the 1940's, and the horn sounds like it has prototypical diaphragm wear. The Mars light is a dual-filament bulb, and actually makes the beam wig-wag back and forth, quite realistic in low lighting.
So, if anybody comes across Milwaukee Road units which are available, I would say that they are worth buying.
Interestingly, I have never seen prototype photo showing the Olympian Hiawatha west of the Twin Cities with FP7/F7B power during the orange era. The Milwaukee E7's and FP7's lacked dynamic braking, but the Milwaukee Road used electric engines on the mountain districts. I do believe, however, that the Erie-Builts ran from Minneapolis, straight through the Hawlowton-Avery electrified district, to Othello, where electrics took it the rest of the way to Tacoma, so they may have had dynamic braking . . . maybe a Milwaukee Road expert knows for sure.
Jim R. posted:For the Olympian Hiawatha? No. The F7 Hudsons were at the end of their days in 1947 when that train was created. Sunset is showing the famous Skytop Lounge car, so the motive power options would be early diesels, most likely an EMD FP7 or F-M Erie-Built consist, but also EMD E7 or E9 consists.
HA! Like that would keep me from running them behind my F7! 
Sad, 2 years ago I had a set of MR Erie Builts and I sold em.
Glad to see these two trains being made....correctly. Especially the 1938 Super Chief.
But, it only adds to my never-ending frustration over the absence of an O3R model of Santa Fe's 2 Class, E-1's.
The 2 Class...the Key version of which is shown in Santiago's beautiful photos above...engine numbers 2-9...were built by EMC from 12-37 through 4-38, to complement the new (1938) Super Chief streamliners.
So, here's a switch for ya!.....Instead of engines being made in O3R for which the appropriate complementing...and accurate!...passenger consist may lag by years....if ever!!
...THIS time we can enjoy having a passenger consist on our O3R layout for which the iconic engine-of-the-same-era is NOT available....nor even hinted/supported for future production.
Oh, sure,....when the 11 Class ATSF E-6's came along (8-39 through 5-41), they most assuredly found their way to the point of the same train from time to time.
Sort of like having your younger sibling wearing your old well-worn/celebrated clothes.....not the same.
But, I've too often beat this horse to death.
Speaking of which.....one's own mortality increasingly calls into question making a financial investment in a dream that may never have a proper ending in one's lifetime. Much as I'd dearly love to add the Super's 1938 consist to my own collection, I may have to pass......reluctantly.
OTOH, to Santiago and the other fortunate owners of Key's magnificent O2R rendition of EMC's gorgeous Warbonnet E-1's I say....CONGRATULATIONS!!!! YOUR PERSISTENCE AND DREAMS ARE SOON TO BE REWARDED!!
Here is my preliminary cut at better windshields:
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