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For those of you who may be interested I E-mailed Lionel about the 6-81442 & 6-81443  rotary snow plow.  I asked about the motors and Lionel said they "Will" have can motors.  The boom cars for the Legacy crane will have a Quilling whistle. i will be ordering the Legacy MOW boom car for my TMCC crane and considering how this winter has been I'll be ready with my Rotary snow plow I'll have on order! 

 

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The small motorized units like the rotary snow plow have always been on the pricey side but with a can motor and TMCC I can justify pulling the trigger on one. The old "Coffee grinder" motor made me sell a regular Vulcan type switcher I had a few years back.  That and the lack of power didn't make it nearly worth the $200 plus Price tag in my opinion. 

It will be interesting to see if they'll be converted to a can motor from the Pullmor. The Tie-jector engine on the next page simply says "powerful motor" in its description; that seems to indicate it will still have a Pullmore. Every other cataloged description of a motorized unit or engine says "'maintenance-free motor" or "can motor" which clearly indicates a DC can motor. So it seems either the Rotary and the Tie-jector will stick with Pullmors, or else Lionel hadn't yet determined what kind of motor they will have, as of press-time. Incidentally, the missile launch engines on the following page indicate can motors, and they used to have Pullmors.

Because of the location of the motor shaft, any increase in motor height could interfere with the cab's rear wall on the Vulcan type engines. That's why I'm skeptical.

The Gas Turbine style, that I'm more interested in, has a larger cab set farther back.

 

They could have redesigned the frame altogether, and moved the motors position.

 

Dave

Originally Posted by Grampstrains:
Originally Posted by C W Burfle:

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So it seems either the Rotary and the Tie-jector will stick with Pullmors


 

Did any of the modern era Tie-jector cars have a Pullmor motor? I purchased the first reissue, I thought it has a can motor, but I have not looked at it in a long time.

The three Modern era Tie-Jectors all had can motors and so will the new ones.

That's promising - hope they change it on the Rotary as well. It's curious that with the Tie-Jectors the catalog only says "powerful motor" and not "maintenance-free motor" or "can motor" like it says with every other motorized unit with a DC can motor....but this would hardly be the first catalog inconsistency ever recorded! 

Originally Posted by breezinup:  It will be interesting to see if they'll be converted to a can motor from the Pullmor. The Tie-jector engine on the next page simply says "powerful motor" in its description; that seems to indicate it will still have a Pullmore. 

  

Breeze:  I have the very first Tie-Jector Lionel re-relased during the MTI years (PRR in red), perhaps 15-18 years ago.  It has a can motor.  Considering that these new units also have added electronics in them, I seriously doubt that Lionel could cram in a Pulmor motor too. 

 

Originally Posted by Chris Lonero:

The boom cars for the Legacy crane will have a Quilling whistle. i will be ordering the Legacy MOW boom car for my TMCC crane and considering how this winter has been I'll be ready with my Rotary snow plow I'll have on order! 

The MOW boom car is catalogued as a having a quillable air horn, not steam whistle, although maybe that is still what you are after. I have a TMCC crane and boom car (PRR) with a steam whistle sound but I have not seen this advertised for any of the Legacy boom cars.

Originally Posted by Chris Lonero:

 

For those of you who may be interested I E-mailed Lionel about the 6-81442 & 6-81443  rotary snow plow.  I asked about the motors and Lionel said they "Will" have can motors.  The boom cars for the Legacy crane will have a Quilling whistle. i will be ordering the Legacy MOW boom car for my TMCC crane and considering how this winter has been I'll be ready with my Rotary snow plow I'll have on order! 

 

 

Chris, since you'd have to be in Legacy mode to activate the Quilling whistle, and your crane car will still be TMCC, how are you actually going to take advantage of it?  Operationally, they're set to the same TMCC ID so they appear to be one unit.

Originally Posted by Chris Lonero:

It would be nice if someone from Lionel could comment and clarify on a couple of these things. 

Agreed - I think that this is a question for them rather than dealers and those who obsess over the catalogs, like me. If I knew who to ask at Lionel I'd email.

 

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

Chris, since you'd have to be in Legacy mode to activate the Quilling whistle, and your crane car will still be TMCC, how are you actually going to take advantage of it?  Operationally, they're set to the same TMCC ID so they appear to be one unit.

John, would this make a difference? With a CAB2 you get a special set of keypad options for the TMCC crane. I can see that you would have to enter "Legacy Railsounds" in the engine info but as the boom car has the sound equipment, not the crane, wouldn't the boom car get the right commands?

You can't get the quilling whistle if you are transmitting in TMCC mode, which will be necessary to talk to the crane car.  You're using the same TMCC ID for both the boom car and the crane. 

 

Switching back and forth would be pretty tiring, I don't see this working all that well.  I think to get satisfactory operation, you'll need the Legacy crane as well.

 

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

You can't get the quilling whistle if you are transmitting in TMCC mode, which will be necessary to talk to the crane car.  You're using the same TMCC ID for both the boom car and the crane. 

 

Switching back and forth would be pretty tiring, I don't see this working all that well.  I think to get satisfactory operation, you'll need the Legacy crane as well.

 

Good point John I hadn't thought about that.  Maybe I'll just order a caboose from the catalog and call it a day!  

Originally Posted by Chris Lonero:
Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

You can't get the quilling whistle if you are transmitting in TMCC mode, which will be necessary to talk to the crane car.  You're using the same TMCC ID for both the boom car and the crane. 

 

Switching back and forth would be pretty tiring, I don't see this working all that well.  I think to get satisfactory operation, you'll need the Legacy crane as well.

 

Good point John I hadn't thought about that.  Maybe I'll just order a caboose from the catalog and call it a day!  

I guess you'll have some time to decide - I've asked around and the word about these crane and boom car models is that they won't be available until the middle of this year, say June or July.

I'll be curious if they make any improvements on the crane. I was working on my TMCC crane last night. One outrigger would not deploy and the other would not stay locked in place. The plastic tab that holds the outrigger in is plastic and hardly bigger than the head of a pin. It appears that with time the plastic fatigues and loses any spring tension it has. I bent it back up but I am not confident it will stay in place.

 

Pete

Originally Posted by Norton:

I'll be curious if they make any improvements on the crane. I was working on my TMCC crane last night. One outrigger would not deploy and the other would not stay locked in place. The plastic tab that holds the outrigger in is plastic and hardly bigger than the head of a pin. It appears that with time the plastic fatigues and loses any spring tension it has. I bent it back up but I am not confident it will stay in place.

 

Pete

Frankly I would not count on it despite the fact that this is a known issue with the TMCC crane. After a minimal amount of use mine developed the same problem although it was cured by replacing the middle outrigger mechanism. I have studied that part and it would seem replacing plastic with metal would do the trick.

Originally Posted by Norton:

I'll be curious if they make any improvements on the crane. I was working on my TMCC crane last night. One outrigger would not deploy and the other would not stay locked in place. The plastic tab that holds the outrigger in is plastic and hardly bigger than the head of a pin. It appears that with time the plastic fatigues and loses any spring tension it has. I bent it back up but I am not confident it will stay in place.

 

Pete

That's the one feature of the car I never use.  Since you have to stuff them back in manually, not to mention put the stands out if they're actually functional, I don't see the utility of that feature.  With the limited capacity of the crane, I don't think the outriggers are all that functional.

 

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

You can't get the quilling whistle if you are transmitting in TMCC mode, which will be necessary to talk to the crane car.  You're using the same TMCC ID for both the boom car and the crane. 

 

Switching back and forth would be pretty tiring, I don't see this working all that well.  I think to get satisfactory operation, you'll need the Legacy crane as well.

 

During development, we will test the upcoming Legacy boom car with the earlier TMCC crane. Our goal is to make them work together without having to switch CAB2 settings.  

 

Rudy Trubitt

Director of Audio

Lionel, LLC

The legacy boom car will have the fun features of the original TMCC version, plus quilling whistle and a collection of motion sounds as the car moves along the track--rail clatter, wheel flange and bumping sounds. These are similar to what we did for the Vision tank cars. The forthcoming vision reefer boxcars will also have this sort of wheels-and-tracks sound effects.

 

I made my earlier comment because it sounded like an earlier poster had the older crane, but didn't have the companion TMCC boom car. We'd like there to be an option for people with the older crane to add the new sound effects, as the TMCC boom cars are not available from Lionel.

Originally Posted by Railsounds:

The legacy boom car will have the fun features of the original TMCC version, plus quilling whistle and a collection of motion sounds as the car moves along the track--rail clatter, wheel flange and bumping sounds. These are similar to what we did for the Vision tank cars. The forthcoming vision reefer boxcars will also have this sort of wheels-and-tracks sound effects.

 

I made my earlier comment because it sounded like an earlier poster had the older crane, but didn't have the companion TMCC boom car. We'd like there to be an option for people with the older crane to add the new sound effects, as the TMCC boom cars are not available from Lionel.

 

That would be great!  Thanks for your input Rudy;Much appreciated.

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:
Originally Posted by Norton:

I'll be curious if they make any improvements on the crane. I was working on my TMCC crane last night. One outrigger would not deploy and the other would not stay locked in place. The plastic tab that holds the outrigger in is plastic and hardly bigger than the head of a pin. It appears that with time the plastic fatigues and loses any spring tension it has. I bent it back up but I am not confident it will stay in place.

 

Pete

That's the one feature of the car I never use.  Since you have to stuff them back in manually, not to mention put the stands out if they're actually functional, I don't see the utility of that feature.  With the limited capacity of the crane, I don't think the outriggers are all that functional.

 

Actually its less about being able to deploy them then it is to have them sticking out and not being able to push them and stay. Makes it problematic is you move the car and it starts catching switch machines.

 

Pete

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:
Originally Posted by Norton:

I'll be curious if they make any improvements on the crane. I was working on my TMCC crane last night. One outrigger would not deploy and the other would not stay locked in place. The plastic tab that holds the outrigger in is plastic and hardly bigger than the head of a pin. It appears that with time the plastic fatigues and loses any spring tension it has. I bent it back up but I am not confident it will stay in place.

 

Pete

That's the one feature of the car I never use.  Since you have to stuff them back in manually, not to mention put the stands out if they're actually functional, I don't see the utility of that feature.  With the limited capacity of the crane, I don't think the outriggers are all that functional.

 

 

I agree John. I never use them either and could just as well do without them but I do like the sound of the deployment.  If they just had sound and didn't move that would be OK with me. 

Looking at page 122 of the new 2016 Signature catalog, and comparing it to page 106 of the 2015 catalog, makes this old thread relevant.

And it brings up the question, did Lionel listen to our comments last year and decide to upgrade the drive motor in the snowplow? Or was it just an oversight in the 2015 catalog?

Since I have not noticed any discussions about the 2015 catalog's batch of these, I assume that none of them have been delivered (Lionel's delivery schedule shows May 2016). Did Lionel hold back the delivery of last year's units for the upgrade? If anyone ordered last year's issue of these, please post to this thread when you receive them as to what motor was installed.

Dave

 

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Sounds like they listened. If it was the addition of the separate motor for the rotary blades holding it up, I would think they would have waited to present the model in this 2016 catalog. They must have decided to retool for the can-style drive motor. Especially after the comments about those not wanting it if it still had the old Pulmor in it.

Dave

I hope to get a chance to operate the new crane.  Ordered the MOW crane version and car when both appeared  three catalogs ago.  The shipping date has been moved back at least three, perhaps four times.  I noticed in Charles Ro's latest price list that the projected arrival date for the crane is now December.  I assume that is 2016.  In the meantime, the car, which has some great sounds, arrived about a month ago and sits on a siding waiting for its companion.  I am really beginning to wonder if the crane will ever be produced. 

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