Ignorant Marx 333 question -- dimensions?

This is a K-Line engine.  I believe it was the Marx 333 in a previous life.

Engine 10&3/4" from rear of cab roof to front of engine.  3&1/4" high. 2&1/8" widest point.

Tender 7&7/8" long. 3" high. 2&1/4" wide

Hope this helps

I'd consider Matx's #1829 plastic-bodied Hudson to be their largest  "steam" effort.

@Jeff Plate posted:

Hi, all --

I have never met a 333 in person, but from photos it's a good looking loco. I gather it's considered an 027-sized engine, but I've seen it referred to multiple places as "the largest engine Marx ever made" or similar. Just wondering, how large is large? Or, concretely, how would it look pulling a couple of my Walthers shorty passenger cars with the low (tinplate-profile) roof? If someone has a minute, I'd be grateful if could tell me length, width, and height above the rails. For length, it would help if you measured loco and tender separately, and mentioned which tender you have, since I know there were two or three different at different times. Thank you so much if you can help!

It’s not a big loco by any means, but it is a good size. Here’s a video of one pulling a few Williams cars…

https://youtu.be/8qfwGYUtLnw

Here’s a comparison using a Lionel TrainSounds tender and an ubiquitous Lionel O-27 passenger car.

I’d say it looks “right” as a medium sized pacific for an O-27 engine.

Thank you all for the responses -- especially the measurements, Bill DeBrooke, and the video, CentralFan. Such a nice looking engine, but at 2 1/8" wide, about a half inch narrower than the cars l had wanted to pair it with. Pretty noticeable. Ah, well! Thanks again!

And thanks for the alternate suggestion, colorado hirailer -- but I'm trying to model the Boston and Maine, which never had a single Hudson.

You may want to look into a Lionel semi-scale Pacific. They made one for the B&M.

http://www.lionel.com/products...onventional-6-38641/

@colorado hirailer posted:

I'd consider Matx's #1829 plastic-bodied Hudson to be their largest  "steam" effort.

Those 2 are about the same size with only the trucks being different.  Of course the 333 and as well as its tender are heavier.

@Jeff Plate posted:

And thanks for the alternate suggestion, colorado hirailer -- but I'm trying to model the Boston and Maine, which never had a single Hudson.

I can get you dimensions and a side-by-side picture of the two when I get home.

The 333 was part of the Marx 3/16" scale line; it was S-scale, but O-gauge; AF did this also before WWII, BTW. It does generally follow a B&M P-4 Pacific inspiration, or so I have read. There is a vague resemblance.

K-Line marketed a modern version of the 333, which is actually only 333 in appearance, having a smooth-running, low-geared can-motor chassis hiding underneath the neat Marx appearance. I have run one; nice runner, better than an original version.

If you can accept the 333's 1:64 (3/16") size, then I would recommend locating a "K-Marx" version - old outside, new inside. Marx made 3/16" cars to go with the original.

Good stuff to know!  Didn’t know the details until now, but makes sense.

As for the semi scale pacific, she’s a short, chunky brute.

Thanks for the comparative photos, CentralFan1976, those make the difference between the two engines really clear! Appreciate your trouble. Have a great rest of the weekend.