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my current plan is to install 8ft long pine planks from Home Depot that are 1 inch thick and 6 inches deep in my basement concrete wall using three double-holed tracks and height adjustable shelf holders. Each pine shelf is expected to hold up to 65lbs and 8-10ft long trains. Are there  less expensive, as durable options? How do I protect the trains from bugs, spiders, accidental water leaks and dust? My initial idea is to put a 8-10 ft long acrylic lid to cover the whole train on select trains that are really expensive. Thoughts? 

Ash Standard

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If you are only supporting the ends and middle you may see some sagging with a 1x6.  Either go 2x6 (nominally 1.5x5.5) or add more shelf standards (vertical uprights).  I'd get shelf brackets that you can screw the wood to and keep it all secure.

I'd put plastic on the ceiling and probably a sheet against the wall just in case there is seepage.  Or get one or two vinyl garment rack covers, tape it to the wall (clear tape) and build your shelves inside.  You could probably put two together to cover 8'-10' as desired.  Some moth balls may help keep away insects.

I'm thinking about finishing an unfinished basement closet myself but I'm going to finish the wall with studs and 3/4" plywood with access behind for mechanical stuff.

If your basement is concrete walls and floor you will get a lot of dust no matter what.  Always consider sealing that with some concrete sealant you can pick up, with a sprayer, at any box store.

 

Concrete walls typically release quite a bit of moisture, even if they do not appear damp.  This can damage trains on shelves that are attached directly to the wall.  I would suggest attaching your boards to a sheet of cabinet grade plywood or Advantech sheathing rather than using brackets.  Use plastic sheeting behind the plywood when you attach it to the wall to provide a vapor barrier.  Eliminating the brackets will also allow you to have more shelves, because the brackets take up a lot of the space between shelves.  A sheet of plywood is also cheaper than all the brackets you would need, and if you screw the shelves to the plywood every foot or so, it will be stronger.  You will need to drill holes for the screws to prevent splitting the boards.  Applying wood glue before screwing would be optimal.

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I am not a fan of the various brands of aluminum shelving as all require way too many screws/bolts to attach each shelf to the wall, i.e., you can't easily change the shelf spacing without the hassle of  removing the horizontal shelves, patching the holes in the wall, and then remounting the shelves with a different spacing.  I recommend you consider a wall mounted system similar to the one pictured below that is "hung" as it is simple and quick to both erect and change shelf spacing.

 

My Shrine To Milwaukee Road

Yes, the brackets get in the way occasionally but with my "hanging" standards I was able to make quick and simple adjustments to either the standard interval and/or shelf spacing to overcome every problem I encountered.  This capability was a real benefit for my "growing" collection of Milwaukee Road trains, which now includes a variety of both large and small trains in numerous gauges and scales. 

 

First and foremost, with my "hanging" standard system I only had to drill one set of holes on each of the walls over which I would "hang" shelving.  These holes were used to physically attach to each wall the horizontal "hanging" rod/bracket from which I would then hang the vertical standards.  In my case, I attached the hanging rod/bracket just below the ceiling on several walls.  From this horizontal rod/bracket I then hung vertically several standards spaced at intervals ranging between 3' to 4' along the wall wherever I thought they were needed to support the wooden shelves.  However, since the standards were hung from the rod/bracket and not attached to the wall, I could and did occasionally make quick adjustments to each standard's location by simply sliding it along the hanging rod/bracket.   

 

I then quickly clipped the brackets into the hanging standards at the shelf spacing I desired.   Since each bracket was not attached to the wall, I could and did make changes to their interval up or down the standards to adjust the spacing between shelves.  To do this, I simply unclipped the brackets from the hanging standards and then clipping them back into the standards either higher up or lower down as needed.

 

The above and other quick and simple adjustments can't be done with shelving systems, which physically attach each shelf, bracket, and/or standard to the wall.  Needless to say, I came to really appreciate the "flexibility" inherent in the hanging standard shelving system as my collection of trains grew over time requiring me to make several quick and simple adjustments to the spacing of shelves and/or brackets in order to accommodate more or larger or smaller trains.

 

Bob Nelson

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Bob/navy.seal,

So in your case none of your vertical standards are screwed to the wall and the weight of all those stunning Milwaukees are on the top metal bracket?  Or did you screw the standards to the wall once you were happy with the arrangement?

Can't tell but are the brackets 4" or 6" deep and is it a two slotted standard?  And do you screw have a screw securing the underside of your wood shelves to the bracket?

Kirk R.

navy.seal posted:

I am not a fan of the various brands of aluminum shelving as all require way too many screws/bolts to attach each shelf to the wall, i.e., you can't easily change the shelf spacing without the hassle of  removing the horizontal shelves, patching the holes in the wall, and then remounting the shelves with a different spacing.  I recommend you consider a wall mounted system similar to the one pictured below that is "hung" as it is simple and quick to both erect and change shelf spacing.

 

My Shrine To Milwaukee Road

 

 

Kirk R posted:

Bob/navy.seal,

So in your case none of your vertical standards are screwed to the wall and the weight of all those stunning Milwaukees are on the top metal bracket?  Or did you screw the standards to the wall once you were happy with the arrangement?

Can't tell but are the brackets 4" or 6" deep and is it a two slotted standard?  And do you screw have a screw securing the underside of your wood shelves to the bracket?

Kirk R.

navy.seal posted:

I am not a fan of the various brands of aluminum shelving as all require way too many screws/bolts to attach each shelf to the wall, i.e., you can't easily change the shelf spacing without the hassle of  removing the horizontal shelves, patching the holes in the wall, and then remounting the shelves with a different spacing.  I recommend you consider a wall mounted system similar to the one pictured below that is "hung" as it is simple and quick to both erect and change shelf spacing.

 

My Shrine To Milwaukee Road

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kirk R,

You are correct.  None of the vertical standards are screwed to the wall.  Rather, all the vertical standards are attached to and are hanging from the horizontal bracket that runs the length of the wall just below the ceiling.  The vertical standards are "slid" into the horizontal bracket and can then be slid along the bracket to any location on the wall. 

The total weight of the vertical standards, 4" brackets, 1X6 horizontal oak shelves, track and trains is supported by the horizontal bracket which is screwed to the wall along its entire length. 

It is a 2-slot vertical standard system designed for 2-slot brackets of any length. 

You could screw the shelving to the brackets but I didn't.  However, do to the 30' length of the shelves and the fact that I couldn't buy 30' long and 1X6 oak boards, I had to use two 15' long 1X6 oak boards for each shelf.  These were held together using a special metal joiner specifically designed for that purpose that also is designed to drop into the top of a bracket thereby preventing the shelf from moving.

On each shelf I used Gargraves Std/O 5-rail track to facilitate locating Standard Gauge, or O gauge, or Standard Gauge and O gauge trains on each shelf.  For increased flexibility, I didn't fasten the 5-rail track to the oak shelves.   

Bob Nelson

Train Shelves

 My train shelves are made in two sections each to allow moving thru doors.  They also stand on the floor and are held to the wall by two 1" x 1" angles screwed into a wall stud. 

Construction is 1" x 4" (could be 6 inch wide) straight pine lumber with grooves routed in for train wheels.  It is usually less expensive to buy 1x4x 8 ft common pine boards at Home Depot and pick through them to find straight boards.  Knots are not that important to me as they can be filled in and painted over.  The length of the shelves can be any you like up to 8 ft with these shelve boards.  I place the shelves with a 4 1/2 in open space between each shelve.  Mine are 7 ft 2 in tall and have 16 shelves with the bottom one 3 1/2 off the floor (about the height of my baseboards).  They are glued and nailed together and have 1/8 " Masonite, nailed with 3/4" roofing nails every 6 inches on each shelve, on the back to keep the shape square, to help keep the shelves from sagging and to keep from marking wall.  Pieces of white felt are glued on the back of Masonite to keep from marking wall also.

 I chose to paint the shelves glossy off white.  One reason was to hid the knots and wood filler and another is I think the light color makes the train cars show up better and makes the room brighter and more cheerful.  I use a 2 in x 12 in piece of clear Saran Wrap on the shelf where an engine goes to keep the white shelf clean of grease from the wheels.

 

 Over all view of one shelve shown below

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View below shows joint between two halfs of shelves, notice grooves for wheels routed with veining bit on all shelves

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 Some 6 inch wide shelves allow display of accessories.

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Photo below shows powered track to allow lighting cars

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Next picture shows shelf legs setting on floor, showing cut out for base board.  Extra, a Boxcar Willie LP record.

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 Top shelf is 8 inch wide to hold other train items

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Over all view of all 3 shelves

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The two large shelves on the left and right of the picture above were in the halls of my present house and three prior houses for many years until the train room was built making the spouse very happy!

 

Notice in last picture I have added two more small shelves under two windows for more trains.  One never has enough trains and thus shelves.

 

Small shelf under window below.

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All shelves are standing on floor and held to wall with angle brackets screwed into studs.

Shelves come apart to allow removal and moving to another room or house.  Build once for life!

 

Charlie

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Personally, I went with used aluminum shelving and it was significantly cheaper than buying new.  I found it on a train auction several years ago. 

I like it, because it disappears on my walls and one only sees the trains.  It is also nice, as one can get long trains on the shelves.  I have a 36-foot long stretch of shelving along this wall (the portion that extends over the layout).  The upper shelving is ?? (small size) to O gauge and the lower shelving is O to Standard Gauge.

Most of my shelving is spaced for O gauge, as that is what I primarily collect, but I do have an area for Standard Gauge trains

Here is some of the excess O to Standard gauge shelving that is waiting to be installed.

The gap between the lower shelving and upper shelving serves two purposes.  First and foremost, my electric wiring runs in the gap between the levels, as this is in a basement and I allowed for flooding and did not run the wiring along the floor level.  Second, it allows for extra Standard Gauge trains, should I fill the small area that is spaced for standard gauge, and it allows for some accessories.

As for attaching it to the walls, I used hex head screws that are made for attaching steel siding to pole buildings.  I was able to buy boxes of these screws in bulk at Menards and they have a rubber grommet on them, so they snug up nicely against the shelving and are easy to install with a drill and hex head driver.

Another advantage to this shelving is that one can space the shelves closer together as there is no need for space for thick shelves and the brackets that hold them up.

NWL

WOW! Had NO idea "shelf science" was so complex! I use a multi-shelf free standing rack and the top of a bookcase plus the top of a wooden engine carry case for my modest collection of LGB and standard gauge. Running the trains actually keeps them on the tracks! Of course, I am not in the Big Leagues like you fellows! LOL! IMPRESSIVE displays at any rate!  ☺

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