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The Ep-2 “bipolar” series of articulated electric locomotives built by GE for the Milwaukee Road in 1919 inspired toy train manufacturers to construct similar models. I am really enamored with these engines. While Lionel started the standard gauge charge in 1923 (surprisingly late) with the diminutive #10, the #380 and finally the massive #381 mimicked these impressive machines. American Flyer likewise had the #4635 and #4637 versions of the bipolar, in the later 1920s. Ives “Olympian” came out in 1926 and was another impressive model, although I have not seen one in person.

While all of the major manufacturers took an incredible amount of license with their interpretations of the EP-2, Lionel’s “Brute” prototype in 1924 came closest to the prototype’s articulated design, yet this “toy” was originally larger than standard gauge and not fully realized for production until about 80 years later, and even then only approximates the real thing. Same with the “super” 381, which also didn’t make production until about 10 years ago.

The photograph here depicts 3 of my “bipolar” engines, the 381, 10 and 4637. If anyone has an Olympian they would like to send me, I can make a much better size comparison! This photo well demonstrates the size discrepancy between the 381 and 10.  The 380 would have been somewhere in-between.

The Flyer came sorta close in proportion to the prototype, if you can ignore the 4 driving wheels compared to the 20 of the prototype, with the divisions in the cab approximating the divisions in the original.  But for overall impressiveness, it’s hard to beat the massive 381, about 17” long (nearly 3.25” longer than the Flyer) and nearly 7.5” tall!

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I visited a couple of friends in the west a couple of weeks ago and saw some impressive bipolar locomotives.

Here is the Ives Olympian (and yes this is an original).  I am not sure of its length, but it is pulling a 19" Flyer bodied car.

More impressive than the Ives is the Richart 8501 Cascade engine.

I have no idea how long that monster is, but it is very impressive.

NWL

I visited a couple of friends in the west a couple of weeks ago and saw some impressive bipolar locomotives.

Here is the Ives Olympian (and yes this is an original).  I am not sure of its length, but it is pulling a 19" Flyer bodied car.

More impressive than the Ives is the Richart 8501 Cascade engine.

I have no idea how long that monster is, but it is very impressive.

NWL

Wow, judging from the tie spacing it’s at least 18”. That Richart one is amazing.  I am hoping it will turn up in the new modern era standard gauge book coming out; there is so much I don’t know about. Thanks for posting these.

@BlueComet400 @RoyBoy

I know a little about it…the book was started by the late Arno Baars and now in process of being completed for release in a few months. I’m sure there will be more concrete info issued soon.

Thanks, Kenneth; I was hoping this was going to be the case as I knew Arno was working on a book but was unable to complete it due to his untimely death. I'm glad this is coming to fruition, and I know it would make him happy.

I heartily agree with the OP regarding the singular appeal of the mighty CMStP&P bipolar. I once owned the LCT Brute and I consider it the best tinplate version of that iconic locomotive! The Richart would be my second choice. And I have to admit I always enjoyed my two original diminutive #10's as well! This may be blasphemy to some, but I never really was a fan of the 381, although I have owned two over the years: a Lionel Classics and later an MTH Proto One.

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As impressive as that Richart Cascade is, I have to vote for the IVES to be my favorite, followed by the Flyer.  I have a Lionel #10, and that little engine scoots like it was brand new, but the Lionel versions just don't quite have the same panache.

The Brute--SG or otherwise--and that huge Cascade won't even fit on my shelves, and so I just couldn't justify them even if I could afford them.

But give me that IVES Olympian, and I won't care!  (I wouldn't kick that IVES white set out of my door, either, or the Flyer Pocahontas. . . . .)

When I see mention of Bipolar locomotives my bizarre sense of humor puts that in the same category as Marvin the Depressed Android in Hitchikers guide to the galaxy.

Seriously, thanks for sharing the photos, I really love these old engines! When I was at York in the fall I kind of fell in love with the Standard gauge layout and I ended up buying a standard gauge engine as a display piece, it touched me somehow.

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Above is a link to a previous posting I made several years ago comparing the RichArt O gauge Bipolar prototype against the RichArt O gauge Bipolar production run.  Check it out, I think you will find it most interesting.

Below are some photos of some of the various paint schemes of the RichArt Standard Gauge Bipolar (Cascade) locomotives .  The "early" versions use 4-wheel front trucks leftover from RichArt's reproduction of the Ives Olympian locomotive, while "late" versions use the prototypical 6-wheel front trucks of RichArt's own design.

RichArt BiPolar Halloween Paint Scheme

RichArt BiPolar TriColor Early Version

RichArt Bipolar Pumpkin Livery

RichArt Bipolar UP yellow early 2

RichArt Brooke Steven BiPolar 2

RichArt BiPolar TriColor Late Version



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Just adding some Bi-Polar photos from my collection:

Early Production -

For those that want to know the length -

To show the articulation -

Late Production -

Late Production Standard Gauge Version -

Little Brother O Gauge Version -

A slight diversion from the Bi-Polar theme.

I bought this Hiawatha set with one of the few 6 wheel drive Hiawatha engines that were produced. I know another one painted Black with Red & Silver pin striping was also made supposedly for Daniels wife ( whether that story is true or not I do not know ) I just remember that was the description when it went to auction. Unfortunately I did not buy it as I thought it was slightly overpriced at the time.

I have since added these two cars that I was able to obtain individually to the above set -

My intention is to put the 6 wheel drive Hiawatha loco in front of the Hiawatha passenger cars that came with the gray top Cascade loco.

I will then put the Olympian cars that came with the Hiawatha loco behind the gray top Cascade.

Ken

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