JEP 220 power requirements

There were 2 different JEP 220 locomotives (well 3, one was a clockwork version, so that is presumably not the one you have).

The first one was made from 1920-1922 and that was a high voltage locomotive which will not run on a ZW.

The second one (brown with NORD markings) was made between 1935 and 1937. There were different versions with different motors made. I assume also a high voltage version. The version I have runs on a ZW but also on a DC power-supply. Just try carefully whether it runs, but first check whether the wheels turn freely, the carbon brushes and brush plate. JEP motors are robust. I have not found a JEP locomotive that did not run (after a clean).

Regards

Fred

Bonjour SNCF231E.

I do not have it yet. The one i have an interest in Is the brown electric loco. 

Certianly will clean and lube should it come my way. I will send an image of it when I get home.

Merci bien, thank you very much for a safe practice.

Leroof 

That model is What I would like to own and run.

might someone know what radius curve it will traverse?   Perhaps 054 minimum?

thank you for your expertise.

leroof

Leroof posted:

That model is What I would like to own and run.

might someone know what radius curve it will traverse?   Perhaps 054 minimum?

thank you for your expertise.

leroof

Leroof very sharp and you know I'm a fan...tinplate vibe.  Did you know I have some French signage on my layout?

Fendermain

Jep made track with diameters of (just under) 24, 32 and 48 Inches (60, 80 and 120 cm). There is no mention of compatibility so I assume all locomotives could run on all these curves. Anyway, their largest diameter is 48 Inches which is smaller than O54, so you are good. I run it at O72 (when not in the garden):

Regards

Fred

The NORD 220 JEP Made 12 1934 is a shortened model of the larger Pacific 231. it is called "Flechette" in France by collectors. In the original sets the tracks where near 031-032 and it will ever run on 042 lionel tracks. two different motors, easy to identify, there is a silver plate on each loco with the type of motor and needed voltage.

1 Tous courants S52. (All voltage S52) That mean it runs from 20 volts to high voltage. 50-70 volts. It will run with a ZW Lionel without any problem but will perform better of course with a rehostat.

2 Bass volt S59. That means it runs only with 20 Volts. it will accept a little more 22-24 but NO more. There is two types of reversing system. One with a lever under the cab, the other is a more sophisticated system included in the tender with three wires between the loco and the tender.

Those two models use AC curent but run equally well with DC.
Picures of the two models,

20 volts manual reverse, with brass lever under the cab,

And 20 volts with automatic reversing in the tender,

Of course they look better running on larger radius tracks,

Daniel

Merci Fred and Daniel!

Always lovely footage Fred and good information from Daniel as well. I had a link to the engine I have interest in. I posted then had to delete it as it was a private listing with multiple google images and sites. Hmmm. I will find a suitable photo to share for ID purposes.  The Fletch is a beautiful engine. It is not the larger 220 though.

Thank you for the answers to my questions.

 A bien tot, Pierre (Leroof)

I believe this photo shows the loco of my interest.

Theone I have seen is a brown livery.

question for Fred and Daniel.

is this a prewar or post war engine? Is it a 220? Or have I misidentified it?

ZW ok to power it?

Is there a difference other than the color in the green model shown? 

Thank you.

Pierre (Leroof)

Fendermain, my roots are a calling me!

i am captivated by an idea of a loop, some signs, a crossing gate, a couple of colorful stations or buildings and some signals, a tunnel, and some period correct figures (people animals etc.) !

Of  course this may possibly mean I have to do some traveling in France to fine some treasures (of course no B15 so maybe)!

Pierre, it is a 222 loco, or 444 for US.  So  we didn't speak of the right loco before....

This one is originally brown, or chocolate color. Same type of motors and reversing, manual with a lever on the back of the boiler or with an electro system in the tender.  It has been manufactured between 1937-1952. Two types of wheels, pick up in brass with one or two and different type of motors.

It will run perfectly with a ZW, no problem at all.

The first models are marked NORD on the tender sides, and when the SNCF, national fench railways formed by reunited private companies, the tender marking SNCF appears. Reunification has been made in 1938 but the change may have been done a little later, in 1939 it was the second world war and toy production was not the most important thing of that time.

It is a very nice model, here is a photo comparing it to a 255e Lionel from the same period. 054 curves is a minimum to enjoy the engine running.

Daniel

OK, here is a video of the 222 (I prefer the 220 by the way):

Regards

Fred

Daniel, this is awesome information. Your photos are superb.  Can they easily be cleaned as Lionel postwar engines ? Very nice example you have, a condition that is admirable. I have learned a lot about this.

Tom, as usual the great outdoor pike demonstrates the beauty of your collection.

i have a question about the cars in the consist of your 222 video

I see there is a passenger car, a postal car, and a baggage car. I have an opportunity to obtain all three. Do you know when they were produced?

Daniel, any additional info on these three cars?

thank you both once again.

i am now a bit more confident!

Pierre (Leroof)

Pierre, the complete original set is the one you see in Fred"s video, a two tone Pullman, a green baggage car and the postal one.   They have been produced in that livery all along production of the 222 loco and matches with several sets. marking on the car is the same as the loco NORD at first and after SNCF, those ones are more common.

Cleaning will be the same that the one you can do on a pre or post-war Lionel piece, the paint is heavy and can be polished without damage.

Now maybe you will have a complete set, I am sure you will not be disappointed with such a piece.

Daniel

Who is Tom?

There are versions of these passenger cars with asymmetric hook and loop coupler (made 1938-1951  ) and versions with a smaller symmetric couplers (made 1952-1964). You should of course choose the cars with the couplers that are the same as on your loco.

The various type of JEP couplers. These passenger cars were made with the two types shown right in the picture. None of the JEP couplers are compatible with the other types, but paperclips solves the problem 

Regards

Fred

Fred, the 222 JEP has never been made with anything else than the asymmetric hook and loop coupler.

Daniel

Thank you, Daniel,

I assume this type of car but with symmetric couplers were made for the CC electric locomotive?

Regards

Fred

You are right Fred, they are the modernized version.... in fact with the new type of bogies supporting auto couplers. Later in 1959 the color change to green body with black roof.

That's how to make new with an old design from 1936-37 to the end of JEP in 1964. Nearly thirty years of production with always the same body.

Daniel

Leroof posted:

Fendermain, my roots are a calling me!

i am captivated by an idea of a loop, some signs, a crossing gate, a couple of colorful stations or buildings and some signals, a tunnel, and some period correct figures (people animals etc.) !

Of  course this may possibly mean I have to do some traveling in France to fine some treasures (of course no B15 so maybe)!

 

 

I believe the above mentioned items would be a fabulous and meaningful addition to your collection.  And the travel is the cherry on top.  B15 is cool but not necessary.

Fendermain

Fred, je m'excuse. you are NOT Tom. good question who is Tom. lol. I really don't know? 

it would seem to me that the coupler varieties need to be paid attention to. I have the passenger car from the 222 set. it has a large coupler at a specific angle not laying horozontally and the other end a large loop. A friend of mine has a postal car same size but the couplers are much smaller that lay horozontally  no loop on the other end?  maybe paper clips are the answer to mismatched cars. The more I see the difference, the more I seek solutions. so the questions will continue.

thank you Fred, and Daniel your expertise is regarded highly by me.

I will possibly start to develop a small but relevant French layout with your knowledge.