Kickin' Back Watching the New Atlas CZ Passenger Cars go by...

Wow...gorgeous! 

Very nice. I'm just wondering how big your layout is? It's really coming along & looks great.

I thought Burlington E5 units had fluted stainless steel sides, in order to match the passenger cars in the train.

 

Great looking train anyway.

Well that's nice, some pictures  to enlighten us?

Any who, this is Lionel's rendition of their E-5... have to live with what you got.

 

Beautiful train!  Great layout.

 

Art

Thanks for the photos, if it is a passenger train, it has to be good. 

no Free to us to enjoy. I believe they were purchased way back when they were reasonably priced.

 

Now  you have my curiosity up...

 

 

That is a pretty old photograph, as she looks a lot nicer than that now, plus the IRM re-painted the front nose to the black styling, as original prior to the 1960s.

Not only fully operational, the ONLY E5 left in existence.

 

Rusty

J Daddy,

   Great stuff!

PCRR/Dave

ah yeah that's the stuff. Don't think I will ever own a pair of E5's with the current price of these...

 

 

 

 

One more pose of the E-5A.

Patrick Treadaway photo:

In Karl Zimmerman's book, CZ, The Story of the California Zephyr, there is one publicity photo of an E-5AB powering the CZ.  It was a rare instance. 

There were various reasons why CB&Q chose F's for power, but the E-5 was the perfect match for that train. 

If I ever collect a full set of CZ cars, and IF an accurate E-5 is ever manufactured in 3RS (which it has not), I will power it with E-5's.  That is a lot of "ifs".

Nice to see this much-celebrated train finally get the proper trailing car.    Now for the baggage car later this year at the other end of the train, and most folks will be ready to say "finito".  

 

David

J Daddy, thanks for the photos; beautiful, albeit lacking the stainless fluted panels, train!!! 

 

Hope someone will post a video of the complete, Atlas CZ, and show it with all 10 (?) cars in a shot, and not a run-by of individual cars.

Thanks for the compliments guys, the new cars are really nice. 

Thank you, J Daddy!  Best perspective for this hobby, for sure!

 

KD (a.k.a., Lucas Gudinov)

 

Well, he COULD use the Sunset/3rd Rail CB&Q E7A units as an alternative.

HOT-

If you have a set come over and I will supply the Hot chili, tortilla chips and beer and we can up the photo shoot. 

 

Interesting what you learn on the forum, thanks for the knowledge bomb....

 

hmm E7A's from 3rd rail you say....

 

I had already started working on a pair of Williams CB&Q E7A units, for my Golden Gate Depot heavyweight CB&Q passenger train, when Sunset/3rd Rail announced their E7 units.

 

Here is what my CB&Q E7A units look like now, after custom detailing and correct painting.

 

 

Looking through the archives I did notice one other interesting detail is the truck "skirts" would be a nice added detail if they where ever made in O.

 

 

Those "skirts" didn't last that long, as they got in the way of maintenance personnel working on the trucks. Adding those "skirts" to an O SCALE, 3-Rail model would DRASTICALLY limit the curve negotiation.

Hot-

Nice, where did you get the pilots from?

 

 

 

Got them from P&D Hobby Shop.

Well now you have me thinking... they are right down the road from me... thanks

HotWater, are those E units detailed Williams models or the 3RD Rail? They are beautiful

John, 

 

Beautiful set !!!!!!

 

 

Alex

 

Nice one J Daddy!

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3rd Rail did a nice E7 Texas Special with a fluted "stainless" panel.  It's not unreasonable to think they might do an E5 someday, especially if they got a push.

 

I would be up for that.

As I previously stated, they are William E7A models, that have been custom detailed & painted by my long time buddy, Gene. The second A unit is also powered with the Williams "dummy powering kit", and wired in reverse. Thus, when the TMCC eng address is entered BOTH units respond and run forward at the same time (they were up-graded to ERR TMCC 'Cruise Commander' control). 

For those of you who bought these cars, did you purchase a mixture of road names to make up your consist or did you purchase one road name. I bought all CB&Q. I am missing the first two cars. I started late. My power is the Lionel CB&Q scale F3. I am interested in obtaining the first two cars in any road name. Hope to find a Lionel CB&Q that is affordable one day . I passed on one for $750.00 that was mint

Please don't confuse the above photos of Atlas SCALE California Zephyr passenger cars with ANYTHING that Lionel ever produced for this spectacular train.

I take it your talking about the F3 sets that you passed on for 750.00.

No worries there are others out there. I like Hot's approach and building a more appropriate set from the Williams E7's.

If you are missing Atlas cars from the earlier releases, don't panic, they are out there. I saw the domes in the 3 rail version sell on the bay for around a buck and a half last week.

I have a DRGW diner on my consist and if its not prototypical I am not concerned. Allot of passenger trains used consist out west in a "pull car" type operation.

The Northern Pacific would pull and drop cars as necessary as they went out west. Thus when they got to their destination in Spokane or Seattle the consist could be mixed with CB&Q coach and sleeper cars as well.

 

 

No, the Burlington E5 I passed on was the mint original from 2001. I think it was on ebay for a while last year. I kept waiting for it to come down. Sometimes you miss that way. Not the first engine I missed out on and probably will not be the last. "What is meant for you will not Pass you by". I am a Lionel /American Flyer guy except for these cars and their track. I have tried Williams and MTH in the past

Got ya, well the Lionel E5's are nice but they are NOT worth 750.00.

You just have to wait and be patient.

I believe I saw these go for 300.00 at one time... just did not have the money to buy them.

Pick and choose your battles I always say...

 

Besides I just purchased an A-B-A WP F3's and will probably do another photo shoot and we can talk about how in accurate and over priced they are now.

I started buying Atlas CZ cars effective with the 16 section sleeper and the Diner.  What were the earlier ones that I missed?  Will the Baggage and the Dome/Lounge/Dorm be the last that Atlas produces?

I am sure somebody will jump on this because it is a guess, however this is what I believe Atlas is going to make for the CZ set:

 

- baggage
- dome-coach
- dome-coach with conductors window
- dome-coach
- dome-lounge?
- diner
- 6/5 sleeper (delivered in 1952 - one for each of six train sets)
- 10/6 sleeper
- 10/6 sleeper
- 16 section sleeper
- 10/6 sleeper (transcontinental)?
- dome-observation

Hey John check ur email

Dave F

More photos of my Key Model Imports E5's. These units rarely if ever were used on the CZ. They were used on the test consist as seen below my late friend David Van Droonon's dad took these in early 1949. These were also Phase II E5's. (C) David Van Droonon


       

All model photos (c) Key Model Imports by Erik C Lindgren
       


These are my photos I shot for Key Model Imports including the photo you posted of my model.

The late Red Nose era E5's are a better pick for your CZ if you insist on E5 power up front on train 1. By the time the CZ was in regular service ample supply of the faster accelerating E7's and E8's were on hand. The E5 is in my opinion the definitive Zephyr design and power however they were first generation units.

By 1949 the E5's lost the skirting for Hot Water's explanation and they also fell off.