Setting up a double header, how do you turn off the lights in the second unit?
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I guess first things first, what system are you using? DCS or Legacy?
Also be ready for smart a** "lash-up" jokes lol
Thanks!
Sorry guys, I have LEGACY. Want to set up my Legacy UP 4-8-4 with a Legacy UP E7.
Mike CT,
Thanks for the info. But what I want is the 4-8-4 forward AND the E7 also forward. The E7 headlights, classification lights, number boards and engine compartment lights are on. When I run the doubleheader forward, the E7 lights remain on. I can start up the E7, using the ENG key, turn off the headlights with AUX2. Then go to TR to run the doubleheader, but the other lights on the E7 remain on.
I would like to turn off all the lights on the E7 when running the doubleheader - just like the prototype does. I have seen the UP excursion train with 844 leading a pair of E8's and passenger cars and would like to replicate this consist with my E7 (I have no UP E8's).
Ray
Here is the PDF of what you need to do.
You can turn on sounds on the individual engines but the lights and couplers are automatic.
Hope this helps.
EDIT: Some one beat me to the punch LOL
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Ray of sunshine posted:Mike CT,
Thanks for the info. But what I want is the 4-8-4 forward AND the E7 also forward. The E7 headlights, classification lights, number boards and engine compartment lights are on. When I run the doubleheader forward, the E7 lights remain on. I can start up the E7, using the ENG key, turn off the headlights with AUX2. Then go to TR to run the doubleheader, but the other lights on the E7 remain on.
I would like to turn off all the lights on the E7 when running the doubleheader - just like the prototype does. I have seen the UP excursion train with 844 leading a pair of E8's and passenger cars and would like to replicate this consist with my E7 (I have no UP E8's).
Ray
When you build the train you tell the remote the direction the engine will be running in. That is how it knows what lights are the front and which are the rear.
Look over the PDF, it will give you all the info you need.
Thanks!
Ted W and others,
I do have the manuals from Lionel regarding command control. I know how to set up a "Lash-up" of multiple engines. But I can not find anywhere on how to TURN OFF THE LIGHTS on the second engine.
I'm not running a FORWARD/REVERSE set-up, such as 2 E or F units, or other diesels. It's a FORWARD operation only.
Sorry if I made this confusing.
RAY
Hey Ray,
We are sorry for not understanding and it is possible I still don't.
After you add the first "Lead engine" you will be prompted to add the second, after entering the ID you can flip the running direction by:
"13. To change the direction of an Engine in your lashup
a. Turn the Velocity Throttle to move the Engine you want into the blinking box
b. Press DIR to change the direction of the Engine"
After the engine is on the correct orientation, in your case, both engines operating in Forward, the head light on the second unit should be off and will never turn on in any direction because it is in the middle of the train. Legacy does this automatically. The only options you can turn off/on are:
8. Press the Announcement icon to enable/disable announcements for this ENG.
9. Press the HORN icon to enable/disable the horn for this ENG
Again, once the individual engine is programmed into the remote in the correct orientation, the lights will function automatically, now way to change it that I know of at the moment.
Hope this helps my friend!
Thanks!
Can you turn off first than create MU. G
I suggest doing a reset on both locomotives. Then program each engine to different engine IDs. Next build the lash-up programming both locomotives pointing forward. See if that gets you what you desire.
Note that many of the early Legacy locomotives, especially some of the diesels, will have difficulty in an MU configuration with light control. Specifically, I've seen several that have directional markers that change colors, but they don't work properly configured in an MU. This is due to the simplistic way they controlled the lights.
gunrunnerjohn posted:Note that many of the early Legacy locomotives, especially some of the diesels, will have difficulty in an MU configuration with light control. Specifically, I've seen several that have directional markers that change colors, but they don't work properly configured in an MU. This is due to the simplistic way they controlled the lights.
Now that we are on the subject of some legacy system quirks.
Do all Legacy engines run at the same speed on a given speed step?
I am almost certain the answer is no, but I want to make sure, the legacy instruction manual says that legacy switchers will run more like a regular legacy engine when mu'ed to a normal legacy engine.
My legacy Shay is proof that the speed steps are not the same so does that mean if I "lash-up" my shay with my Mikado, for example, they will both run at the same speed?
Is testing them, before lashing, always a good rule to follow?
I know for DCS it is almost universal across their entire Proto2/3 line but I've always been scared to lash two legacy locos as I have noticed slight variations in some engines.
Thanks in advance!
Daniel J. Gonzalez posted:gunrunnerjohn posted:Note that many of the early Legacy locomotives, especially some of the diesels, will have difficulty in an MU configuration with light control. Specifically, I've seen several that have directional markers that change colors, but they don't work properly configured in an MU. This is due to the simplistic way they controlled the lights.
Now that we are on the subject of some legacy system quirks.
Do all Legacy engines run at the same speed on a given speed step?
I am almost certain the answer is no, but I want to make sure, the legacy instruction manual says that legacy switchers will run more like a regular legacy engine when mu'ed to a normal legacy engine.
My legacy Shay is proof that the speed steps are not the same so does that mean if I "lash-up" my shay with my Mikado, for example, they will both run at the same speed?
Most Legacy locomotives will track very well. Also, if you have a switcher and a road engine, and they're identified properly in the engine setup screens in the Legacy system, the switcher will be switched to the road engine speed curve and should run with the road engine. I am thinking of stuff like the Genset, B6, etc. I don't know if the Legacy Shay has it's own unique speed, that's something I should test someday.
Thanks for clearing that up John.
Hope all is well!
Of course Dan, you probably own the few that won't follow that rule! 
Ray of sunshine posted:Ted W and others,
I do have the manuals from Lionel regarding command control. I know how to set up a "Lash-up" of multiple engines. But I can not find anywhere on how to TURN OFF THE LIGHTS on the second engine.
I'm not running a FORWARD/REVERSE set-up, such as 2 E or F units, or other diesels. It's a FORWARD operation only.
Sorry if I made this confusing.
RAY
I am still a little confused about what lights you need turned off in the second engine. First, I am assuming you are running v1.61 on your remote. I have an 844 but not an E7. I do have a SD40T-2 that has marker lights, however.
1. If you set up a Train with the 844 lead and E7 forward facing but trailing, the E7's forward headlight should never be on. When run in reverse the E7's rear headlight will turn on. The E7's cab lights should never be on in either direction unless you address the E7's cab number. If the E7 has marker lights, the rear ones will be lit when the train is in forward. There is no way to turn off the number board lights that I am aware of.
2. If you don't want the rear headlight of the E7 to light when in reverse you will probably need to add a third engine in the consist. Make up a dummy engine number and place it after the E7 when you make up your Train. The system will now thinks that the E7 is running in the middle. This will turn off the rear marker lights of the E7 when the Train is running forward. Unfortunately, it will also shut off the rear electrocoupler unless you address the E7's engine number on the remote and then activate the coupler.
3. If you want the rear headlight on the E7 (and coupler) to work when in reverse, but you want to turn off the rear marker lights on the E7 when the Train is in forward, select the E7's train number, go to AUX2, and the buttons in the middle column of the remote at the bottom will turn the marker lights on and off. When you return to your Train, the only light on the E7 that should light (with the exception of the number boards, of course) is its rear headlight when operating the train in reverse.
4. If instead you select the Train number and THEN turn off the marker lights, you will turn off BOTH the green classification lights on the front of the 844 AND the rear marker lights on the E7.
5. Finally, if you want to turn off the red tender marker lights on the 844, AUX2, left column of buttons at the bottom turn the tender marker lights on and off.
JFC454 and others,
Thanks for all the comments and help. After playing around with all the advise, I think I got it down.
UP 844 is the lead, with UP E7 988 behind the tender facing forward. I did find that I can turn off the head lights. The number boards and classification lights remain on - have not been able to turn them off. Have attempted several options, but no luck.
I guess that having the number boards and classification lights on is OK. At least the head lights are out.
I just wish that Lionel and other manufacturers would publish little details in their manuals. I always refer to the manual first before posting on the Forum. I did not see any details in the manual that JFC454 listed. Thanks.
Trial and error and just pushing every button often is one way to figure all the "back door" features hidden in the controller.
RAY
The number boards on many of the Lionel models are driven direct from track power, my recently purchased F40PH runs them that way. Not sure why the classification lights are on, they might also be direct track powered.
Lionel UP E7 engine 988 is not a Legacy engine, it is TMCC. It probably doesn't have the lighting control of a Legacy engine.
JFC454 posted:Lionel UP E7 engine 988 is not a Legacy engine, it is TMCC. It probably doesn't have the lighting control of a Legacy engine.
How do you know, I never saw a product number mentioned? If so, that makes a huge difference, it probably doesn't have any lighting controls to speak of. TMCC has front and rear light controls.
gunrunnerjohn posted:JFC454 posted:Lionel UP E7 engine 988 is not a Legacy engine, it is TMCC. It probably doesn't have the lighting control of a Legacy engine.
How do you know, I never saw a product number mentioned? If so, that makes a huge difference, it probably doesn't have any lighting controls to speak of. TMCC has front and rear light controls.
He specified UP, E7, and engine 988. I looked it up on the Lionel website. 2006v2 catalog, TMCC. Also found a video of that engine and the marker lights are on when running in forward direction.
JFC454 posted:gunrunnerjohn posted:JFC454 posted:Lionel UP E7 engine 988 is not a Legacy engine, it is TMCC. It probably doesn't have the lighting control of a Legacy engine.
How do you know, I never saw a product number mentioned? If so, that makes a huge difference, it probably doesn't have any lighting controls to speak of. TMCC has front and rear light controls.
He specified UP, E7, and engine 988. I looked it up on the Lionel website. 2006v2 catalog, TMCC. Also found a video of that engine and the marker lights are on when running in forward direction.
Ray of sunshine posted:Sorry guys, I have LEGACY. Want to set up my Legacy UP 4-8-4 with a Legacy UP E7.
I took him for his word.
Oops!
The UP E7 I have, engine # 988 WAS equipped with TMCC, but was upgraded to LEGACY 3 years ago.
RAY
That's the kind of data that would help in the first post. Interesting though. How was that done? Swap the boards out and replace with a Legacy version of the same/similar product?
Ever wonder why some people get frustrated trying to assist in the forums?
Yeah, it can be frustrating at times but hey, he has to learn somehow.
R.O.S, you are lucky that both engines are tracking at the same speed (hopefully you tested that before running them together). When engines are upgraded from there original form, all bets are off, everything would have to be taken by a case to case basis.
All the advice I gave you pertains to a stock Legacy engine. Once your engine was UPGRADED to Legacy, a lot of factors can separate your experience from others as a lot of variables depend on how and who did that installation.
Again, if they are tracking at the same speed when not mu'ed, WOW, you are a luckier man than I.
Good luck!
Daniel and others,
Ya, I guess I should have mentioned the upgrade in the beginning. Will keep that in mind in the future.
The upgrade was down professionally, just can not say how or who helped with the upgrade.
Anyway, before I do a lash-up, I always run them about 6 inches from each other in both directions to be sure they track correctly. My 4-8-4 and E7 are matched correctly.
Thanks for the help.
RAY
