@tom21pa posted:It said diecast in catalog. Prr, alaska, up, and others with super Bass auxiliary tenders
A die cast Veranda? Wow - but does anyone know the price?
@Hancock52 posted:A die cast Veranda? Wow - but does anyone know the price?
Approx $1649.99 from the quick look i saw yesterday when the pics were still up.
@eddie g posted:I have the catalog. A lot of fantasy items. I don't understand how those items sell. Kids don't care about that stuff any more.
Well, some of us are not strictly “model railroaders” but “toy train operators.” And of course most of us are somewhere along that spectrum. It’s almost like it’s two different hobbies divided by a common three rail track! As a person on the “toy train operator/collector “ end of that spectrum I don’t mind having fantasy items running on my traditional sized 4x8 layout. I’m sure Lionel’s catalog is trying to serve both modelers and toy operators.
@MartyE posted:Approx $1649.99 from the quick look i saw yesterday when the pics were still up.
Thanks Marty, that is most definitely intriguing.
I wish someone would post the full catalog description of its features - I can live without fantasy scheme mock-up images. (I wonder most of all what they have done with the sound compared with the TMCC version - phased diesel and then turbine or something else?)
I suspect a new Legacy Veranda would have at least the TMCC model's features, which were pretty good BTW. 
Someone put the catalog O Scale stuff up on youtube.
@eddie g posted:I have the catalog. A lot of fantasy items. I don't understand how those items sell. Kids don't care about that stuff any more.
Certainly would like to hear what LC+2 engines there are. It's been mentioned that there are more RS-3s and a new K-4. Anything else new in LC+2?
@Prr7688 posted:Very interesting to see the New Hope and Ivyland set... I always saw this as a niche operation compared to other tourist lines.
Wow - I grew up about five miles from this line! What’s in the set? Years ago Lionel made a boxcar for the New Hope and Ivyland - but that was a long time ago!
@gunrunnerjohn posted:I suspect a new Legacy Veranda would have at least the TMCC model's features, which were pretty good BTW.
Yes, they were, and indeed still are even by today’s O 3-rail standards. But I’ll reserve judgment on what Lionel’s offering now until I can see the actual catalog text feature description. From the blurry copy I have seen online, there are no less than 10 different schemes but I’m not sure they have the synchronized diesel and then turbine sounds and smoke the TMCC version has.
I don't mind fantasy road names. I ordered the genset PRR from the last catalog. I know Pennsy did not have them but it looked good and it gives me more variety to run. Visitors always like the various features of the locs and the flappers on the smoke stacks is cool. Since I'm not a rivet counter it doesn't bother me.
The acelas (amtrak, amtrak concept, new haven, PRR, UP, Milwaukee Rd, SF, polar express) all feature 2 powered units with sound and automatic pantographs. 3 Passenger cars in the standard set include manually operating doors, lights figures, automatic tilt. Expansion pack, additional 2 cars with features above +1 station sounds diner (cafe car). Min curve O-72
@Joe Fermani posted:I don't mind fantasy road names. I ordered the genset PRR from the last catalog. I know Pennsy did not have them but it looked good and it gives me more variety to run. Visitors always like the various features of the locs and the flappers on the smoke stacks is cool. Since I'm not a rivet counter it doesn't bother me.
bro i love fantasy stuff
from what i've seen its gonna be hard looking through this thing with out wishing i had a few grand, o72 curves and a decent AC power supply
cough pacemaker cough strasburg camel cough us army with shark face turbine cough
I'd like to see the LionChief K4s.
I'm assuming it uses the Baby K4s tooling with the Post War pilot.
Jon 
I wonder if they'll offer #1361 in this scale. By the way, the cover on the American Flyer catalog is a USRA Pacific.
just ordered my catalog should be here by friday
Let's see those AF Pacifics!
@DGJONES posted:Looks like a really fun catalog. I find myself more and more attracted to some of the fantasy paint schemes. Just imagine, a 2-10-10-2 locomotive with warbonnet paint scheme!
Gotta love it!
Don
Oooh yeah That would look good next to my Cab Forward Daylight, which tends to be a favorite among visitors to my layout
@D500 posted:This will only be of real value if LVC recognizes "Oh, s**t!" as a "shutdown" command.
Excellent point!
It can seem like an eternity between when one realizes "oh s**t" and fumbling for the emergency stop button on the remote , or reaching to cut power from the transformer.
D500 and Rick, that is just what I thought when I first learned of it. I fumble with the handheld remote, but fumble much more with my phone. I even have trouble just answering the phone. 😄
This is a great catalog, for those that purchased the first VL Sante Fe 3000, it was nice, however this one is called a Vision 2-10-10-2, in multi color road numbers and lots of choices and looks Great. It’s very nice. The Veranda, is a heavy monster full of great new electronics, the Camelbacks are neat with also great new electronics, and lots of other products. One could spend $10K with a blink of the eye, of course that’s if the Wife says OK. Your going to love Lionels offerings. It’s truly a 2021 dream book. Happy Railroading Everyone
@Peter Araujo posted:Let's see those AF Pacifics!
Reports are they look like this:
Introduced around 2008 with TMCC, upgraded to Legacy for 2021.
Rusty
LC+ K4's are 1361, 3750, 5400, and 5409 (Tuscan). RS3's are LV, SR, PRR, and ATSF. No LC+ sets.
@Rusty Traque posted:Reports are they look like this:
Introduced around 2008 with TMCC, upgraded to Legacy for 2021.
Rusty
Awesome! What road names do they offer? According to the front cover, one of them is the American Flyer 75th Anniversary Livery.
@Peter Araujo posted:Awesome! What road names do they offer? According to the front cover, one of them is the American Flyer 75th Anniversary Livery.
That I don't know. I'm going by a description given by someone who briefly looked a the catalog. We'll know in a week, anyway. They won't get made any faster.
Rusty
@Peter Araujo posted:Awesome! What road names do they offer? According to the front cover, one of them is the American Flyer 75th Anniversary Livery.
B&O, GN, ATSF, NYC, D&RGW, USRA. R&N (set).
I picked up a paper copy today at my local hobby shop, was thinking about a Legacy Camelback steam purchase until seeing the Legacy Veranda Turbine. Being a veteran, it is a no brainer for me, one US Department of Defense #1941 will be placed on order. I will also have to purchase a circle of 072 curves, but what a great die-cast engine.
The NKP Pacific with the Buy War Bonds tender looks terrific, although I hope they dump the polished cylinder heads. The rest of the locomotive is dressed for freight service, so they seem a bit out of place, but, honestly, I’m more concerned that they will arrive painted battleship gray.
Any vintage Amtrak Schemes or rainbow era passenger cars for the E8s? Any Conrail transitional era product?
@Mike W. posted:Any vintage Amtrak Schemes or rainbow era passenger cars for the E8s? Any Conrail transitional era product?
No
My wallet is saved. I saw the Canadian Pacific SD70ACE in heritage colors, but then I checked past threads about the MTH offering; apparently should be an SD70ACU. I like some degree of accuracy in my purchases, so I'll pass again.
Any Union Pacific passenger cars for excursion or challenger sets?
@vash44 posted:Any Union Pacific passenger cars for excursion or challenger sets?
No
@Norton posted:I have to say I learned something thanks to the catalog. I had never heard of the Cardinals train. I first thought it said the Cardinal, now an Amtrak train. I saw the red cars and thought is was another fantasy scheme, then discovered the train existed if only for a few weeks. Lionel's version is somewhat accurate even to the cab number on the NYC Pacific. At nearly 2900 bucks for an engine and 7 cars I will be admiring it from a distance.
Pete
Didn't MTH make a nice RailKing version of the Cardinals Train some years ago?
Well fortunately all this stuff won't be available until likely the end of the year so plenty of time to save up....
And really excited to see the Acela finally return. Honestly don't really get the hate everyone has for it. I own the old one and sure, the tilt and door functions are useless, but turn them off and you've still got one of the most prototypical and spectacularly detailed models in 3-rail O. A crime it's never made it to Legacy until now.
Cannot fathom how they will ever get enough orders to actually make the "Polcela Express" though, but more power to 'em if they can...
@Catonsville Central Railway posted:Well fortunately all this stuff won't be available until likely the end of the year so plenty of time to save up....
And really excited to see the Acela finally return. Honestly don't really get the hate everyone has for it. I own the old one and sure, the tilt and door functions are useless, but turn them off and you've still got one of the most prototypical and spectacularly detailed models in 3-rail O. A crime it's never made it to Legacy until now.
Cannot fathom how they will ever get enough orders to actually make the "Polcela Express" though, but more power to 'em if they can...
I am happy because I own 2 perfect running Acelas. If I need to replace anything, the parts for the new one should fit. Hopefully with upgrades. I am also happy because of the price of the new offering. In theory I have $7k worth of Acelas for 1/4 the price. Not a bad catalog at all. Don’t see any new features not on original. Can’t think of what else. No room for smoke😏
I could not agree more. Who ever is running Lionel has no clue what we can afford. Electric Trains for $600 to $3000. Customers 50 years old or older; Pandemic cutting income; Products made in China; Using some predesigned parts; Let's see how these guys make out in 2021.
@Jerry Rubin posted:I could not agree more. Who ever is running Lionel has no clue what we can afford. Electric Trains for $600 to $3000. Customers 50 years old or older; Pandemic cutting income; Products made in China; Using some predesigned parts; Let's see how these guys make out in 2021.
They'll do fine. They'll cancel what they don't get orders for and make the rest. This catalog is quite ambitious IMO.
I guess if they were made in the U.S.A., you'd really be upset about the price. I can't imagine a product made here would be any less expensive and there is no guarantee the quality would be better.
Come on Marty, how long will you continue to defend Lionel? $600 to $3000 for a TOY Train Engine??? Customers 50 years and older; Pandemic cutting or eliminating people's income; Products made in China; Using many predesigned parts; Over pricing everything they import. And you think they are the customers friend with how fast (slow) they repair defective merchandise? I'm sorry I just think they are heading for disaster.
