Hi I just got one from my uncle with boxes cleaned it up runs great no to the problem the motor has 3 parts without the armature the part that holds the coil is connected to the longer front part with the gears at the end 2 rivets hold this to the coil part. At the end of the rivet where the ground to the coil is located has play and occasionally would spark is this ok can this rivet be stamped out thanks
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Miguel, That is coil is called the field. You can press the field studs ( rivet) to make them tighter. If you do not have a rivet press then you can use a punch.
Do you know what size punch it good for that job so I can go get one thanks
You could use a Phillips screw driver & a hammer.
Ok thanks so much brother
Miguel posted:"Lionel 2333 santa fe f3 vertical motor"
You are describing a horizontal motor.
Yes sir I'm learning about the older engines I inherited from a family member thanks to you guys
Miquel, if you plan to work on your inherited trains, purchase a copy of the Greenburg or K-Line repair manual. A very large portion of the questions you will have can be answered with the manual.
And as Rob said, the motor you have is a "horizontal" motor; perhaps you can edit your thread's title accordingly.
Ok I fixed the name thanks I'll look for one thank you guys for your input
Also have a 2333 horizontal dual motor SF from Lionel; trying to make it run better; ran very sluggish, slow and pulled quite a bit of amps. Removed both motors, cleaned the commutator, brushes and lubed the motor shaft; also opened up the trucks and cleaned all the waxen grease from both the worm drive and spur gears; lubed the end bearings and all axles and pick up rollers. Runs much better but not as fast at 16 volts as other H drives I have tuned up. Starts moving at 9-10 volts and at 12 - 14 volts moves fine but pulling about 4.5 -4.8 amps on my Z4000. Checked field stakes, all tight. Also cleaned the e unit drum; only thing left is to replace all the wiring. Just does not move as fast as previous H drive tune ups; they were never super fast but I notice the difference at top end; at 16 volts the front motor does weep some very weak smoke! Bad indicator! Any ideas or input is appreciated; thanks much; Falcon70
Did you change the motor brushes? There are some high resistance brushes out there that have caused other people trouble. Best to use postwar brushes in postwar locos.
David; changed brushes and no change; however I found the wispy smoke was from two of the three wires in the front motor were touching the field winding and cooking; replaced all and it runs like it should; the wires looked fine but they were touching the winding and caused huge resistance; runs great with all new wiring to brushes and field! The old wiring was corroded inside the clean insulation; next time I will measure the resistance on all wiring to motors; good to go; Falcon70
If Miguel can't tighten the rivet, Jeff Kane, the train tender (ttender.com) has a replacement stud that secures the ground eyelet with a nut.
I took the motor off the unit I used a 1/4 punch and now the field and front part are tight runs much faster took the advise from forum member
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