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A friend asked me to sell her Lionel 400E Blue Comet set.  I collect and operate post war and modern, so I am fairly ignorant of the value and history of pre war.  

It is the Lionel 400E Blue comet, with tender and 3 cars : 420, 422, and 421.

I tested the engine today and it runs and lights up.  One of the cars lights up, the other 2 do not.  I imagine they need new bulbs.

To me, the set seems to be in very nice condition - see photos.

 

I was hoping 'the experts' here could give me some info on this set and possibly what a fair price may be.  I did search 'the bay' but I could not seem to get a good handle on pricing.

I did not put this on the for sale forum yet, as I did not want to get yelled at for not posting a price.

 

I would love to see this go to a person who would really enjoy and cherish it.

 

Thank you - Jeff C

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Jeff

the recent Greenburg price guide lists these

as

$2500-$3000 for the locomotive and tender.

and

$1200 apiece for the cars.

I have also seen this particular set listed on

Antiques Road show for $10,000.

Condition is everthing.

use your own judgement for a "fair" price.

 

If it were my set, listing it on this forum,

I would put a price of somewhere between

$$3000 and $5000 for the set.

plus shipping plus insurance.

Good Luck and God Bless

By the looks of it, the set appears to be between C-6 and high C-7 condition, which is pretty good. I don't see a lot of prewar sets in such nice condition, especially such a collectible one as the classic Blue Comet.

 

The engine is probably the most common version, with the brass trim, red wheels, and brass Lionel Lines plate on the tender. It appears that the cars are also the brass trim versions with the vestibules painted the dark blue of the roof. Versions with the dark blue vestibules I see less often than the ones with the light blue vestibules.

 

The engine itself garners usually between $2500 to $3000, and each car between $900 and $1300, at least in my experiences and with the slowly worsening market that it is today.

Jeff, you certainly have a beauty there.

 

In his 1956 classic, "Collecting Model Trains", Louis Hertz discusses at some length the factors that influence a model's value.  Age, condition, the number of units manufactured, and so on.  

 

But then he says there is another factor, that many people don't consider, which has a tremendous influence on a model's price, and that is its intrinsic attractiveness.  

 

There are some models that are very successful designs, that most everybody agrees are just dang beautiful, and every collector just has to have one.  

 

Your Blue Comet set is one of these.  Probably the prettiest train Lionel produced in the prewar era, this fact alone drives a consistently high price; even though it is not an uncommon set (made by the thousands) nor as old as many (being from the 1930's rather than from Lionel's earlier 1910-1920 trains).

 

I'm not in the market for one, but if I were, I'd be emailing you an offer.  Your friend's train is quite a nice example of a true classic.  Very attractive condition - but not so pristine as to be afraid to run it.  The prices suggested in this thread are certainly in the range.   Were it not for (or perhaps in spite of) the financial times we find ourselves in, you could conceivably do considerably better.

 

Hojack-

 

Thank you for your kind words.  It really is a beautiful set.  I am going to have to get it out of my house before I become attached .  

 

I kind of thought it was a shame this person wants to sell her set, but I guess it is for the better as she is not into model trains.  I am going to post on the for sale forum for a bit - hopefully I can find a good home for these beauties.

You need to be very careful when you sell this. Have it looked at by an old time TCA member if you can.

 

From what I can see, the latches that hold the motor in the engine have been painted blue. They are not supposed to be painted. Also, most originals have a pronounced wear mark where each truck has worn away the paint on the bottom of the frame in an arc. Yours shows wear that's a good bit less than I'm used to seeing. That leads one to question the overall originality of the whole set.

 

I would assume that the frame and steam chest have been at least repainted, if not replaced at some point. Look for manufacturers casting marks on the frame and steam chest and let us know what they are. Lionel did not make the cast parts, they farmed them out.

 

The engine appears to be a later copper trimmed engine, as it has the turned handrail posts instead of the sheet metal handrail "snivvies". Although it may be more common than the nickel trimmed versions, I always prefer the early prewar copper and brass over nickel. Personal preference, but I like it.

 

As for the cars, they look very nice, however, it's tough to tell originality based on some web pictures. I believe the dark vestibule cars to be early blue comet cars, and generally would have come with the cast journal boxes, usually, but not necessarily packaged with a 390E blue comet engine.

 

Restoration or major part replacement can impact value. How much depends on the work, and what agreement a buyer and seller can make. I would attempt to get an opinion from a non interested party, maybe someone that has one, and not an auction house or the train collector looking to buy a blue comet. To me, if someone has no interest in it, then you'll get an honest appraisal of its condition.

 

Then, represent it for what it is, and you'll be OK. Good luck.

Here is an update guys-

 

Someone from the forum was nice enough to stop by my house today - armed with a ton of knowledge.  Looks like the set has been repainted.  The frame and steam chest are actually original.  There is a bit of warping on the frame.  A Lionel E-Unit was added.  It looks like those latches were painted over when the engine was repainted.  All of the wheels on the engine have been replaced.

 

There were a few other things such as the engine roof on backwards.

 

In light of this, I decided to take it down from the for sale forum.  jsrfo was spot on in his suggestions about having an expert take a look.  I plan on asking the seller what she wants to do with the set.

 

Overall - there were some positives - original frame and steam chest, but of course the repaint is a negative.  

 

Thanks to all - especially the expert that stopped by my house today.  Shows how great most train people are.

 

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