Originally Posted by Flash:
I see no reason why c clamps could not be used. Even if modules are equipped with special locks.
My tough too.
Originally Posted by PC-Quebec:
I question the use of coffin lock, every other modular solution in other scale are using c clamps and it work well. Those Coffin look will be a pain in the butt to install if we choose to make our own module.
Actually, part of the LCCA/Lionel committees goal was to minimize loose parts, and to utilize a positive locking system that helps align the modules and track sections, without having protrusions (alignment pins, track pins, etc) that could potentially be broken off, or injure someone during handling. C-clamps, when not properly tightened, can come off, and are just another piece of hardware that needs to be inventoried and carried around. Ever have a c-clamp fall on you while you were under a module making a connection or adjustment on a table?
So having made the choice to go with Roto-locks, the committee determined that an inexpensive yet rigid template would need to be created that module builders would use to exactly locate not only where the holes for the Roto-locks would be placed for accurate alignment, but positioning of the FasTrack as well, which is one of the items that LCCA & Lionel have created to accomplish this task. The specifications will also accurately illustrate the dimensions and location of all of the other associated placements or carpentry steps that will be needed to properly locate the hardware as well. Frankly, the Roto-lock location placement is the only hardware challenge at all, and the template will make that aspect of the construction/assembly a whole lot easier!
I hope this explanation will help address and alleviate some of your pains. I envision this modular layout being used at future, large, major special events on a national basis. Anything that can help reduce alignment issues and loose parts upfront; will greatly simplify and reduce on-site assembly time, especially on a large modular set-up. If you have any more questions or concerns, please feel free to call me at 248 709-4137.
Al K.
Where some see problems, others see an opportunity. Since that piece is likely to cause problems for some, a person with the skills and tools could sell just that piece of the module to those intent on building their own. That way someone who wants to save money but doesn't have the skills to install the coffin locks can still build the rest of the module and have it be compliant.
I agree with Gandalf97's idea. As I was reading Al K.'s post, I was thinking, maybe they should just sell the 2 (?) pieces with the roto-locks installed. This might be a good option for the folks who are both carpentry challenged (might have a difficult time building from scratch) and lack deep pockets (to purchase kits or finished modules).
roto-lock or not I will carry C-clamp in case few members module are not perfectly match and will take the risk to kill my self if I drop a c-clamp on me , lol
I wonder how many people participating on the OGRR board have experience with modular layout sections.
I had two tinplate tracker modules at one time.
My older son built a total of three "N" gauge N-trak modules, of which one still exists.
We also have several unfinished "N" gauge table top modules, based on Kato Unitrack.
You should be able to find a left over hockey helmet up there 
Originally Posted by PC-Quebec:
roto-lock or not I will carry C-clamp in case few members module are not perfectly match and will take the risk to kill my self if I drop a c-clamp on me , lol
I really hope this modular thing will work, and I think it will, here in Montreal we have a big show twice a year and a vendor put some fastrack on a table and run MTH engine, very popular, but without scenery, I will make a module to join to his setup, I hope other will join on next show.
Originally Posted by C W Burfle:
I wonder how many people participating on the OGRR board have experience with modular layout sections.
I had two tinplate tracker modules at one time.
My older son built a total of three "N" gauge N-trak modules, of which one still exists.
We also have several unfinished "N" gauge table top modules, based on Kato Unitrack.
I have 2 Free-mo module
Originally Posted by TimDude:
You should be able to find a left over hockey helmet up there
Originally Posted by PC-Quebec:
roto-lock or not I will carry C-clamp in case few members module are not perfectly match and will take the risk to kill my self if I drop a c-clamp on me , lol
Not only the helmet the grill too...
Originally Posted by PC-Quebec:
roto-lock or not I will carry C-clamp in case few members module are not perfectly match and will take the risk to kill my self if I drop a c-clamp on me , lol
That's what I like about this hobby. There is no wrong way to enjoy the hobby. Everyone has their own unique way to enjoy it. Our layouts are a personal expression of ourselves. As you indicate, there are multiple ways to solve problems. I think that is why duct tape was invented lol.
Al
Originally Posted by C W Burfle:
I wonder how many people participating on the OGRR board have experience with modular layout sections.
I had considerable experience with N-Trak modules when I re-entered the hobby years ago, but haven't worked with modules since that time.
I enjoy seeing nicely done modular layouts in any scale, but prefer those that are complete with scenery and fitted with skirting both outside and inside.
quote:
I had considerable experience with N-Trak modules when I re-entered the hobby years ago, but haven't worked with modules since that time.
I wrote earlier that my older son had built three N-Trak modules, with one still existing. The first two showed the inexperience of the builder, but the local N-Trak guys were very supportive, and included them in their public display anyway.
His last module, which is currently set up in his old bedroom, was built with the experience gained on the first two, and looks great.
He is not living in the immediate area right now, so it doesn't go anywhere these days.
LCCA/Lionel's FasTrack Modular Railroad Makes Public Debut in Norfolk VA.
The LCCA/Lionel FasTrack Modular Railroad Layout was unveiled during the LCCA's 42 Annual Convention in Norfolk VA. This layout was built by TrainWorx/TW Design of Dallas Texas according the standards developed by the LCCA modular layout committee. Preliminary specifications are posted on the crossing gate signal on our website www.lionelcollectors.org The goal of this national Fastrack modular standard is to encourage as many model train enthusiasts as possible to get into the hobby, demonstrating their skills with even a single module. Do it yourself, build a kit or have TrainWorx build a module for you, then decorate it in any way that you desire, with any theme you chose. Then bring it to one of the future events planned by the LCCA / Lionel to create HUGE modular layouts that easily fit together utilizing the standards created for these modules. You can even advertise your company name, group or personal name on the front facade of each module. These modules are light weight, in a size that should fit in just about any automobile, yet give you the opportunity to run the biggest Lionel engines made on O-72 & O-80 FasTrack ! Great way to get into module railroading using a track system you enjoy already with a group of train buddies too!
Click on the video link below or go to www.lionelcollectors.org to watch LCCA Director Bill Schmeelk explain some of the features of LCCA/Lionel FasTrack Modular Railroad layout.
No offense to Al but there is not an O80 in FasTrack. I think you mean to say O84.
Originally Posted by Gandalf97:
No offense to Al but there is not an O80 in FasTrack. I think you mean to say O84.
Eric,
Good catch. That was a typographical error. It should read O84, not O80. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Sorry about the mistake.
Al K.
Lionel/LCCA FasTrack Modular Railroad - Video
Lionel's Director of Special Events, Joe Fea was at the LCCA 42nd Annual Convention in July at the Marriott Waterside Hotel in Norfolk VA. To view the Modular Railroad Intro video of Joe introducing Lionel's FasTrack modular railroad kits in Norfolk, click on the link below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...youtube_gdata_player
Information about ordering these Lionel kits will be available late September or October, 2012. For future updates about the Lionel/LCCA Fastrack Modular Railroad, stay tuned to the LCCA's website www.lionelcollectors.org and Lionel's www.lionel.com. We believe this Lionel/LCCA Fast Track modular railroad will introduce a lot of new people to Lionel trains and into the model toy train hobby. This modular system will allow people to run their Lionel trains on a large layout, even though they could not be able to do this in their own home. Thank you Joe Fea and Lionel for your collaborative efforts on this project.
Just a quick note to let everyone know that the Lionel FasTrack Modular Railroad manual will be updated by the middle of this week. A new corner modules size has been included that uses O48 and O36 radius track. Only one is required to make a 90 degree turn. This new module will mate perfectly with the straight module currently being offered and will allow sizes that are more home friendly. Also new is a track plan illustrating the use of an O72 switch between the lines. Look for the new version number on the cover of the manual.
Best to all,
Bill Schmeelk
Whats the nominal height of this benchwork from floor to table top?? I see where the leg is 31" cut length so I'm guesing 32" with leveler and plywood bench top.
Great idea just in time for building a storable train table.
You are correct that the leg height is 31 inches plus the adjustable foot which when all the way in adds about 3/8". Then add the 1/2" plywood top and you have the lowest measurement of about 31 7/8" with a possible adjustment of an additional inch.
Bill
Thanks. Thats what looked like but couldn't tell how far up into table top legs will slide. I don't guess they bother with bolting them in place or maybe I missed that on drawing.
My existing shop benches are 38". May cut the legs 37+/- so they work with these. One can always cut them down later if the 'show circuit' ever calls.
The steel leg brackets have a threaded hole into which a 3/8-16 bolt is placed to secure the leg in place. I also suggest placing a #10 flat head screw into the leg at the point where the 3/8" bolt will hit it. This provides a more durable solution if the module is assembled and disassembled often.
Bill
Originally Posted by Train Dame:
Originally Posted by Flash:
How big are those modules?
The Lionel ones pictured are 30" Deep x 45" Long
I wonder why they chose 45". Standard FasTrack pieces are in multiples of 10". Yes you can get a 5" section, but why force every module to incorporate one.
Earl
One of the goals in designing the system was to make it a size that could be transported in a car. Also, to prevent damage while transporting the module, we did not want to have any track pins extending over the edge of the table, where they could be easily bent. That is why the 5" section is used between the modules.
A new and upgraded Lionel FasTrack Modular Railroad manual has been posted. This Ver. 2.0 manual now includes 20 additional pages and plans for a new small radius module particularly suited for home use, or anywhere that the wide radius modules will not fit. Only one is required for a 90 degree turn. The Ver. 2.0 manual also includes several module layout plans and suggestions as to how O72 switches can be incorporated in the layout. A link to the manual is at:
http://www.lionelcollectors.or...x?id=428&catId=6
Best to all for a Merry Christmas and a happy, healthy and train filled New Year!
Bill Schmeelk
OOPS - I posted the wrong link for the manual. Here is the correct one -
http://www.lionelcollectors.org/lcca-newsstand/lccanews/newsStory.aspx?id=446&catId=21
Best,
Bill
Thanks, Bill. I will keep watching these threads.
Hi Eric,
I too will watch this and respond to any questions you or others may have about the Lionel FasTrack Modular System.
Best,
Bill
No clamps on modules. They are an extra pain to find and store when moving the modules.
It has to be a locking device that is attached by screws or fastened in the ends.
Andrew
Will there be q=guidelines once the new O-32 FT curves finnally get here?
The new manual includes a corner module that is 90 degrees and uses O48 for the outer loop and O36 for the inner loop. The module table is 30 inches square. The new O31 FasTrack curves deviate from the 6 inch standard applied to all other sizes of FasTrack. We do not plan an additional module using the O31. As it turns out, the O36 module works out to be the tightest curve that will work. This is due the 30 inch depth for the straight modules. When two straight modules are placed with their inner long sides touching, the O48 outer and O36 inner is the smallest that will connect the two straight modules. The new manual shows a layout using the Small Radius Corner and you can clearly see that anything smaller simply will not work. Check my 12/21 post for the download link for the new updated manual.
Best,
Bill Schmeelk
It is good that the layouts can not go under O36. There are so many big steam locomotives that need the larger radius curves to operate, it does not make sense to go too small on the curves.
Andrew
For major events, the O84/O72 corners will be preferred. These allow the operation of all Lionel and other manufacturer's large locos. The new Small Radius Corner allows the module layout to be more home friendly. The minimum width of a layout using the larger radius corners is 103 inches. With the new Small Radius Corner, the minimum width drops to 60 inches - making it espeically suitable for home or small venue events.
Bill
Just read the new Version 2 manual.
Happy to note that the new small corner design they used is exactly the same as the 30" corner modules I described on page 1 of this thread! I started designing mine about the same time as the LCCA plans were started and I determined that the 30" square was just right for an O36 and O48 curve. I was hoping they would see the need for smaller corners for some configurations.
Except for the coffin locks, it appears my modules will work with the LCCA ones.
My modular layout is pictured in the 2012 Christmas Layout thread, temporarily configured with Christmas decorations and a tree.
Ed
Originally Posted by Seacoast:
Yes a great idea to add modular. To,an existing layout or build a separte modular. Modular layouts/ clubs are all over the country.
Do the Modular have to be 30" wide or can it be 36" wide and still be ok for displaying with lionel at shows??????????? Please help, I really would like to build (4) Modulars with a special scene but I need a little more with like 36".. Thanks
I do not see a problem as long as the track template places the track in the same place from the outside of the module.
A wider module, i.e. 36 inches would probably be fine as long as you positioned the track and the rotolocks, which connect modules using the FasTrack Module Template. The template positions everything from the front edges. If you module was wider, the template would still position the track and the rotolocks correctly. The reason for positioning everything from the front edge was to avoid a problem with modules that might not be precisely the same width.
Bill Schmeelk
LCCA Module Committee
My only concern would be with a 36" section is wouldn't you need another 36" section to have the track plan work out. Otherwise to me would one side be 6" short, since one side would be 6" longer then the side.
I could see no problems with it if you were just building it for yourself and you had a equal number of 30" or 36" sections for the layout to connect to one another. But for a group layout to me you would need another 36" module or a 6" module for the other side of the layout.
Originally Posted by Bill Schmeelk:
A wider module, i.e. 36 inches would probably be fine as long as you positioned the track and the rotolocks, which connect modules using the FasTrack Module Template. The template positions everything from the front edges. If you module was wider, the template would still position the track and the rotolocks correctly. The reason for positioning everything from the front edge was to avoid a problem with modules that might not be precisely the same width.
Bill Schmeelk
LCCA Module Committee
Thanks Bill. Yes it would be built from the Lionel modular except just like the video shows it's just the 2' 6" width is short for my scene the Length and everything else is fine. The front would line up with the others ok, it's more to the inside. All (4) would be the same and the locks would work with the others. So Thanks again, Bill...
LCCA/Lionel FasTrack Modular Railroad Activity In Chattanooga
The Lionel Collectors Club of America invites you to build and bring your LCCA/Lionel FasTrack Modular Railroad sections to our 43rd annual Convention to be held at the historic Chattanooga Choo Choo Hotel July 14-20,2013. The LCCA and Lionel will have their Lionel FasTrack Modular Railroad Layout set up and operational during the convention. Bring your modules and become part of a larger layout. You can also bring your Lionel Trains and possibly run them on this new layout. Spread the word to your friends and encourage them to build and bring their modules to Chattanooga.
If you have a group or organization that wants to participate, invite them along. TW TrainWorx of Dallas TX, plans to bring some new module sections to expand LCCA's layout that was introduced during our 42nd annual convention last summer in Norfolk VA. If you haven't noticed, Lionel dedicated 6 pages of their newest catalog to this new FasTrack Modular RailRoad system. Lionel is fully engaged with this project and wants to continue efforts along with the LCCA to develop this FasTrack Modular layout in cities all around the country. For more detailed information about the new national Lionel/LCCA FasTrack Modular Railroad standards and specification, please go to the FasTrack Modular section on our websitewww.lionelcollectors.org. We hope you can bring your modules to Chattanooga and have some fun running your Lionel trains!
There is still time to order and build new module kits. If you have any questions about this new Lionel/LCCA FasTrack Modular Railroad system, please contact LCCA's Bill Schmeelk at 201-497-1303 or by e-mail at bill@wellingtonent.com
See you in Chattanooga!
