Lionel H10

Joe Fermani posted:

Did anyone catch in the description for the new H10 that it includes stereo sound. One speaker in the smoke box and one in the tender. That is a pretty cool feature. Having sounds come out of the engine add a nice extra dimension.

Seriously?! There trying to put everything in there. 

I think you may be confusing the H10 with the Vision Line niagara.

RickO posted:

I think you may be confusing the H10 with the Vision Line niagara.

Nope, it says it in the features for the H10. I doubt it'll be in there though. http://www.lionel.com/products...gacy-h-10-85-6-85387

I'm sure that's a copy and paste error.

Folks are gonna be disappointed enough when the swinging bell doesn't make it in there. 

The catalog must be proofread in China too.

I think so too. 

I had to read it twice to make sure I read it correctly. I don't know how they are gonna fit a speaker in the smoke box but it'll be cool if they do. Dave, is this feature correct or a typo?

Oh, you can buy speakers small enough to fit-you can even buy speakers for N scale. What puzzles me is how to get the sound out. Is the bottom of the boiler open?

@Dave Olson this just a printing error or this for real? 

No sound in the engine. Just the tender.

@Dave OlsonAny updates on the status of the swinging bell on the H10’s

I'm hoping to buy one at the end of the year and find some Belvedere and Delaware Railway decals, after all there workforces was made of 2-6-0s, 4-6-0s, 2-8-0s, 2-8-2s, and 4-4-2s. So, a H10 would look perfect to fit in.

AmtrakNickFilms posted:

@Dave OlsonAny updates on the status of the swinging bell on the H10’s

The cc2 wasnt a big engine and it had a swinging bell . But we all  can hope they do it ... I am waiting till they say.

The H10 didn't have a swinging bell...

Jon  

jojofry posted:

The cc2 wasnt a big engine and it had a swinging bell . 

For an articulated,no, but compared to a consolidation yes. It has about double the boiler length to put "whizz bang" goodies in.

In fact, if I recall correctly did not the CC2 have issues with motor failure due to being undersized for the loco?

One could speculate possibly the undersized motor allowed for more room for the CC2 goodies.

The H9/10 already has a small motor to begin with, I'd prefer they omit the swinging bell so it doesn't end up with a PE starter set motor.

A friend has  A CC2 on lease on the P&W and I have run it at operating sessions more than once.   I has performed very well switching a half dozen industies and hauling as 12-15 car train back and forth from the yard.   Train length is a swag, I ran the train and made a bunch of moves with no problems with the motor or traction.

So here's what bugs me about putting a swinging bell on a K4, H10, H9, G5 etc... If you get the swinging bell, then the sound system has to match.  And those engines made a ding ding ding ding sound... not a ding...dong...ding...dong sound.

Jon

Please put in the swinging bell. My preorder hangs in the balance.

KOOLjock1 posted:

So here's what bugs me about putting a swinging bell on a K4, H10, H9, G5 etc... If you get the swinging bell, then the sound system has to match.  And those engines made a ding ding ding ding sound... not a ding...dong...ding...dong sound.

Jon

But then who's the ding dong?

The person who orders one when the real one didn't have one?..... Or lionel for advertising it and not putting it on the model?

RICKO,

 Someone has already stated that the engine crew could use a line to the bell in case the auto ringer was broken. So a ding dong would be appropriate. If a rivet counter says it should be an auto ring that goes ding ding ding tell them its broken and the crew is swinging the bell. Who really cares the swinging bell is a real nice feature. Looked great on the CC2 vision line engine as well as the vision Hudson. I hate to say it but I think you are over thinking this. It is a toy train. I am going to pre-order the Pennsy Lines H10 as I do like the CC2 tender. My line for why a Pennsy Line engine in my all Pennsy fleet. Its in Altoona for upgrading. The smoking whistle is enough for me but if Lionel throws in a swinging bell I say go for it.

Just have fun with the engine

JohnB

I was interested when I first saw it but looking closely I realized the casting is exactly the same as my TMCC/ODESSEY version from 2001.  It is actually an H9 not  an H10 (cylinders are different).  A swing bell would cool but also wrong since the prototype had a pneumatic ringer.  Having worked on mine, I know there is no way you're getting a speaker in that boiler casting.  I've extensively upgraded mine with fan smoke, LED lighting and GRJ's chuff generator and super chuffer.  I'm sure the Legacy sounds are better than the original TMCC but that is not enough for me to buy one.  On the other hand, I have always like the Niagara.

Danr posted:

I was interested when I first saw it but looking closely I realized the casting is exactly the same as my TMCC/ODESSEY version from 2001.  It is actually an H9 not  an H10 (cylinders are different).  A swing bell would cool but also wrong since the prototype had a pneumatic ringer.  Having worked on mine, I know there is no way you're getting a speaker in that boiler casting.  I've extensively upgraded mine with fan smoke, LED lighting and GRJ's chuff generator and super chuffer.  I'm sure the Legacy sounds are better than the original TMCC but that is not enough for me to buy one.  On the other hand, I have always like the Niagara.

Dan, did you by chance change the pilot so that it had the steps on either side of the coupler? I had to make some changes to my 2001 version after the pilot extension for the front coupler broke in an unfortunate incident. I added an MTH coupler part (not remote) that allowed me to mount it so that it alllowed enough swing to use it as a switcher.