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When Lionel introduced their big 4-8-4 Northern model of the Milwaukee S-3, I "had to have one".  Bought mine in #265 livery because I already had a Weaver model of the same prototype numbered #261, the number of the excursion engine up in Minneapolis that we have seen and ridden behind several times.  The #265 is also still in existence today, originally on display in the City of Milwaukee but now located at the Ill Rwy Museum in Union, IL.

 

Loved the engine, had it professionally weathered and use it in my crack freight consists.  Only one thing that had been a real problem was that the sound would suddenly drop out and there would be no chuff, no whistle, no bell, no nothing.  The only quick fix was to hit the "reset button"  (#0) but then the engine would come to a jerky stop, blow the whistle and the sound would come on full volume.  It generally seemed that it was more likely to "drop out" when the train was going downhill, but there were times it would happen even on level track.  I had brought it back to Lionel 3 times and for a while it might seem better but sooner or later, "bang" it would drop out again.  Rather embarrassing for me, especially when my train buddies were over.

 

Well, almost by accident, I discovered a "cure" for the problem.  When I opened up the tender, I noted a battery clip and connector for a 9v. battery.  Now, I own at least 20 TMCC equipped engines but I never installed a battery in any of them.  Everything I run is by Command Control, either TMCC, DCS or, with the S-3, Legacy.  No conventional operation on my layout, so the battery issue was never an issue for me.  But, I thought:  I'm gonna stick a 9v. into that tender and just see what happens.

 

Result:  Problem solved!  I have run the engine for several hours, in several different operations and, with the battery, the sound never dropped out again.  So for want of a $3 dollar battery my issue went away.  My question is:  Have any other of you guys found a similar problem with a Legacy engine and have fixed it with the battery?  I'd like to hear of any other similar issues and if so, is this a "fix" that we can recommend for all Legacy users?

 

Paul Fischer

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Currently shipping Legacy Steam engines do include this "wake-on-chuff" feature. As Marty says, if the tender loses power (and there's no 9V battery installed), the sound will come back on when the next chuff from the locomotive is detected.
 
-rudy
 
 
Originally Posted by MartyE:

Yep.  This issue was brought up at several LUG meetings.  I believe Jon or Rudy was going to look into future engine to use a chuff as a trigger to restart the sound without having to do a reset.

 

I'll check the LUG notes and see if I can find the mention of it.

 

The battery option in Lionel tenders has always been there for conventional operation OR power dropouts on a command layout.

 

Typically power loss on a command layout involves turnouts, most common offender being the deadspots on Atlas switches, a known issue.

 

Outside of that, "newer" legacy locos, like the S3 are  far more sensative to dirty track/wheels/ pickup rollers than their TMCC predecessors.

 

IMO running a track cleaning car, and/or using a liquid cleaner is not always enough, often times there is still a light film or residue left on the track.

 The only way to get track 100% clean is to use a fine abrasive track cleaning block by hand. I designed all of the track on my layout to be within arms reach, of course for some this is not possible.

 

Lionels eraser in their maintenance kit or a brightboy currently being discussed on another thread work great. Then wipe it down with alcohol.

 

The only tender sound dropout issue I've experienced was when the "crud" on my legacy K4 tender pickups lined up with some "crud" on a fastrack turnout cut the power. I cleaned the "crud" off of both and the problem never returned.

Last edited by RickO
Originally Posted by Railsounds:
Currently shipping Legacy Steam engines do include this "wake-on-chuff" feature. As Marty says, if the tender loses power (and there's no 9V battery installed), the sound will come back on when the next chuff from the locomotive is detected.
 
-rudy
 
 
Originally Posted by MartyE:

Yep.  This issue was brought up at several LUG meetings.  I believe Jon or Rudy was going to look into future engine to use a chuff as a trigger to restart the sound without having to do a reset.

 

I'll check the LUG notes and see if I can find the mention of it.

 

Really? When did they start this? I have the Vision line Challenger, and a few others that when the sound drops out, its out...

Had three GS engines over a few months back with this issue. Not fun at all, at least now we know why it occurs. Having to put a battery into a Lionel engine to keep the sound up? It  is a real step backward I'm afraid. Just another chance to scratch or mess it up if the battery doesn't do it by leaking, and since they don't have a charging circuit, no BCR without mods.

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