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I don't know when it started, but for the past few years, Lionel has doubled the thickness of their diesel tires. Instead of 30 mil thickness, they are 60 mil. They stick well beyond the notches they were intended to be seated within. They are so thick, that they cause uneven distribution of load on the truck, and reduce the effective flange depth, leading to derailments on switches. I keep replacing these fat tires with tires of the correct thickness which properly seat themselves in the grooves. The correct tires can be obtained from just about any postwar or MPC parts dealer. You will notice much improved performance with properly seated tires of the correct size.

 

The attached photos clearly show the conditions. The photos show the before and after condition. 

 

Has anyone else noticed this issue?

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  • Tire Comparison: New "fat" tire (left) vs. older "thin" tire
  • 30 mil tire properly seated: Replacement tire fits properly
  • 60 mil tire misfit: Tires provided on new Lionel equipment project out of groove
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Originally Posted by Marty Fitzhenry:

The hot set up is to use MTH tires.  They are a perfect fit and better made.  I see many of these and many Lionel operators are on board.  Do not buy old stock Lionel.  The MTH tire will last a very long time.

Thanks Marty. Good suggestion. Would you happen to know which MTH tire best fits the generic Lionel diesel wheel set?

Here is the MTH tire chart.  Might be a good idea to save it somewhere on your computer.

 

 

 

TRACTION TIRE CHART 
AS OF Dec 2013 
MTH P/NDE-0000014DE-0000015DE-0000018DE-0000023DE-0000025DE-0000027DE-0000031DE-0000036DE-0000041 
    (old part # DE-1050038) (old part # DE-1050036)(old part # DE-1050041)   
TIRE O.D.14.0mm15.0mm17.0mm22.1 mm24.4mm26.9mm30.3 mm36.0mm41.0mm 
TIRE WIDTH4.0mm4.0mm4.0mm3.5mm3.5mm3.5mm3.5mm3.4mm3.4mm 
Wheel Diameter17 mm18 mm22 mm27 - 30 mm32-33 mm35 - 37 mm38.5 - 42 mm   
          
MODELSSC R-32 SUBWAYRK SUBWAYALL DIESELSRK 0-8-0RK BIG BOYRK DREYFUSSSC JERSEY BLUE COMETSC NYC-999 4-4-0 (86")SC PRINCESS CORONATION 
 RK PCCRK ZEPHYRSC SHAYRK CAB FORWARDRK CHALLENGERSC CAB FORWARD SP AC-6SC FEF NORTHERN   
 GALLOPING GOOSESC ZEPHYRRK DOODLEBUGRK S-2 TURBINESC GN R-2SC CNR 6060SC PRR T-1   
 RK BRILL TROLLEYSC M10000RK GG1RK 2-10-0 DECAPODSC TriplexRK UP 49'ERSC PRR ATLANTIC   
  RK M10000RK BUDD CARSC ERIE CAMEIBACKSC N&W UNSHROUDED " J "RK GENERAL-ARMYSC AT&SF NORTHERN   
  SC CLIMAXRK EP-5SC UP CLASS 9000 4-12-2RK M1a MOUNTAINRK HUDSONSC PRR S-1   
  SC UP DC-3SC EP-5RK B-6 SWITCHERSC H10S 2-8-0RK C&O HUDSONSC AT&SF HUDSON 4-6-4   
  SC ALCO PASC RECTIFIERRK USRA 2-8-8-2SC 2-10-0 DECAPODRK CP ROYAL HUDSONSC GN 4-8-4 NORTHERN   
  RK BURZEPHYRSC COAL TURBINERK IMPERIAL TRIPLEXRK CAMELBACKSC PRR Q-2SC PRR D-16(BEL, RADI)   
  RK R-10SC M-1RK USRA SWITCHERSC Y6bRK JERSEY BLUE COMETSC BLUE GOOSE   
  RK Flying YankeeSC P-2 BOX CABSC USRA 0-8-0RK ATSF NORTHERNSC USRA PACIFICSC DREYFUSS HUDSON   
   SC CENTIPEDESC PRR H-3 2-8-0SC USRA LIGHT MIKADORK PRR K-4SSC ESE   
   RK RECTIFIERSC A5S PRR 0-4-0SC AT&SF TEXASRK PACIFICSC J1D HUDSON   
   SC E2 BI POLARSC USRA 0-6-0RK FEF NORTHERNRK HUDSON HIAWATHASC NH l5 4-6-4   
   RK AERO TRAINRK USRA Y6bSC WM CHALLENGERRK ESESC C&NW E-4   
   SC GP-30SC RUSSIAN DACAPODSC Z-6 CHALLENGERRK WABASH HUDSONSC ORIENT EXPRESS   
   SC GP-9SC GG1SC CLASS ARK DISNEY ENGINE IN VTSC ESE HUDSON   
   SC E-8RK USRA MallotSC BERKSHIRERK P-47 BALDWINSC HIAWATHS   
   RK F-40PHRK 2-6-0SC UP CHALLENGERRK C&O ALLEGHENYSC GS4   
   RK PARK 2-8-0SC BIG BOYRK TEXASSC NIAGARA   
   SC SD-90MACSC EF 3BSC CLASS ARK WANDERERSC E4 HUDSON   
   RK F-3SC Y-1 Box CabSC DM&IRSC Y3SC NYC J1E HUDSON   
   SC F-3ST BLUE COMETRK L-3 MOHAWKRK PS4    
   RK FA-2AEM-7RK TORPEDOSC H-8 ALLEGHENYSC PRR K-4S   
   SC SD-70MST S-2RK COM. VANDERBILT SC CP ROYAL HUDSON   
   SC GP-30ST GS-4RK GS-4SC N&W " J "SC PS4   
   SC SD-24ST N&W "J"RK NKP BERKSHIRESC Unshrouded JSC P-5A MODIFIED   
   RK F-3SC Y-1 Box CabRK CRUSADER SC G5 4-6-0   
   RK RDC BUDDCARRK ST 4-6-0SC H-9 CONSOLIDATION SC C&O 4-8-4 Greenbrier   
   SC RS-27RK L-1 MikadoSC C&O ALLEGHENY SC READING T-1   
   RK F-59PH RK N&W " J " SC NYC 999 4-4-0 (70")   
     SC NYC A-2 BEKSHIRE     
     SC PRR J-1     
     SC C&O T-1     
     SC 2-8-2 KANAWHA     
     SC PRR 2-8-2 L1     
     SC CNJ4 CLASS L6S     
     RK GS-2     
     RK H-8 ALLEGHENY     
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           

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