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One of the first things I notice from Cheryl's pics, it has "fat wheels" which won't like conventional frog-type switches. The wheel gears are a larger diameter than the wheel treads. That limits where you can run it. It needs older switches like the Lionel 1024's or similar Marx switches, or no switches.

I haven't worked on one but I suspect it's straightforward if you take out the screws that are clearly visible. Maybe take the rods off first, they need some straightening anyway.

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Thanks for the input guys .  Greenburg 2007, as that's the one we have at the store, says it was from '41-42.

The 1654 pages do look like this one which will help immensely.  It would appear the motor block is canted in the shell, and if it's because of the shell, she's a shelf queen.  Otherwise there may be a new addition to the Christmas Stable.  And...  there are no switches on that circle of track, hehehe

Well, I got this apart,and, it turns out that the die cast frame all the innards mount to had a severe case of zinc pest and had cracked and warped into a "C" shape.  As I took it apart it just kept crumbling.  I now have the motor, reverse unit and wheel with nothing to mount them to.  I think a whole new wheel block may be needed.  Poor little guy, now it's just a shell

Cheryl,  Is the motor okay, but the body of the loco suffers from zinc pest?  That motor is what was referred to as the Die Cast Motor, and is a single reduction gear motor.  It was used on quite a few locos from Prewar.  Dating is from 1940-41, and was used on the 1662; 1663; 1664 (1940 version); 1684 & the 1688 (1940 version).  It is actually the same motor that Lionel adapted when it made the 1654 loco in Postwar.

A little clarification on what has the zinc pest?????  The body or the motor?

TeleDoc posted:

Cheryl,  Is the motor okay, but the body of the loco suffers from zinc pest?  That motor is what was referred to as the Die Cast Motor, and is a single reduction gear motor.  It was used on quite a few locos from Prewar.  Dating is from 1940-41, and was used on the 1662; 1663; 1664 (1940 version); 1684 & the 1688 (1940 version).  It is actually the same motor that Lionel adapted when it made the 1654 loco in Postwar.

A little clarification on what has the zinc pest?????  The body or the motor?

It was the frame... The body is perfectly fine from what I am hearing.

Charly posted:

Well, I got this apart,and, it turns out that the die cast frame all the innards mount to had a severe case of zinc pest and had cracked and warped into a "C" shape.  As I took it apart it just kept crumbling.  I now have the motor, reverse unit and wheel with nothing to mount them to.  I think a whole new wheel block may be needed.  Poor little guy, now it's just a shell

That's unfortunate. I wouldn't put a lot of work into it myself; save it for parts or static display.

The shell is fine, the motor works, the wheels are good, don't know about the reverse unit.  What crumbled is the diecast piece that all that mounts to.  And... I agree, it's not worth it to put much money into it.  It was given to me as a project to get running but it was too far gone for that.  I have no attachment to it, or investment in it at this point.  Will just hang onto it for now, maybe it will become a scrap detail for out behind the roundhouse .

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