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So what if Lionel hired a bunch of creative marketing guru's and/or 3-railers to put together the ULTIMATE Lionel Model trains commercial for the Super Bowl?

 

And when I say "Ultimate" I mean something with the coolest music, visual style, with the biggest baddest Lionel Steam and Diesel Engine and/or train to WOW the masses and to grab the attention of a Baby Boomer, Teen Agers, Young Adults, and even the most anti-model train, anti man-cave spouse (just kidding).

 

Moreover, lets say Lionel pulls this off, and the internet goes crazy, the commercial goes viral...the ultimate Best Case Scenario for everyone including Lionel.

 

Here is what I think would happen in a "Best Case" scenario, and u welcome your thoughts as well:

 

1) Folks like us on this forum, would think it cool, and enjoy a spurt of enthusiasm, be the target of many questions from those who previously knew we had trains but didnt really care, but now do. And of course, we would make a purchase or 2 that we might not have planned on.

 

2) A large part of THE MASSES would probably think it cool, bur totally forget about it once the next big play happens during the game.

 

3) Another part of the masses will not care at all or even blink an eye.

 

4) Some folks who had trains as kids, but gave them up and never returned would get very very excited, and motivated to get back into the hobby.

Some of these folks would already know that pre-orders, ordering, online shopping are now the norm, but despite this many will seek out a local hobby shop just like the old days and will be disappointed with the selection, but hopefully impressed enough by the potential from "good train store" customer service and make some pre-orders or impulse buys on whatever is in stock.

 

5) Now here is the sad part....SOME...very few...of those who have never ever been involved in the hobby will immediately run out to Walmart, thinking there is a golden treasure horde of trains in the toy section they have been missing out on for years...only to find the what they saw in the commercial is not there....if they are lucky they MIGHT find some RTR sets that although are not even close to what they saw in the Super Bowl commercial, might still impress enough to warrant a purchase.

Most likely, the majority will soon get distracted by flashing lights, a screaming child, or a flash mob, a phone call or text message and lose total interest.

The remainder, will pick up one of these sets if they are actually in stock, otherwise they will not pursue it further, and the majority will have gotten bored with it in about 30 days or less and end the adventure right there.

 

For the small majority of the masses, that make it this far, they will realize what they have been missing out on and pursue the hobby...unfortunately, most of these folks once they realize in this day and age of "I WANT IT NOW", that neither Walmart and the train store they drove 100 miles or more to get to, either doesnt have what they want or moreover will have total sticker shock at the prices and give up right then and there.

 

For the fractional few of the masses, a very small number...very small..will have found a new hobby they will enjoy the rest of their lives.

 

Thus, the train market for Lionel will be just as it always has...a gem...a diamond in the rough of todays world that only a cherished few will ever pursue and experience via the once in a lifetime wonder of model trains.

 

This is not a result of anything Lionel did or any other trainmaker, it is a result of the society we live in, which is manipulated by the media...in which life consists of eating, sleeping, watching TV, engaging in endless and mindless network TV, smart phone induced social media, and an obsession with Hollywood, crappy movies, and athletes.

 

Thankfully, I belong to a community of people (model railroaders) who are above the herd of sheep-like masses, and who exercise their brains above and beyond the norm, thru visualization, engineering, construction, design, planning and operations, all which encompass everything from electrical, electronics, home improvement, carpentry, etc etc etc, and who have a sense of tradition, nostalgia, family, and who enjoy the greatest hobby in the world.

And for all of that, I thank and praise all of you here on this forum!

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This is not a result of anything Lionel did or any other trainmaker, it is a result of the society we live in, which is manipulated by the media...in which life consists of eating, sleeping, watching TV, engaging in endless and mindless network TV, smart phone induced social media, and an obsession with Hollywood, crappy movies, and athletes.

 

Amen to this Chipset,

 

Art




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True...but they could also, always find a Sears Store with a monster train layout and selection




 

By the time I came along, those days were gone. In my area, hobby shops still had new trains. Most other stores only had them out during the holiday season. Nobody had large display layouts.

Stopped by a Hobby Town yesterday. They had a nice HO layout in the window.
And Mohawk Valley, a Capital District train shop, has a nice "O" display layout. I believe that Jim P. was key to its creation.

Originally Posted by sinclair:

I think the truth of the matter is that Lionel could never justify the cost.  There is no way I can see them ever getting more money from it, let alone enough to break even for the spot on TV.

In a way I agree with this statement especially considering the cost of any length Super Bowl commercial spot.  But a TV commercial might not be out of the question if it was aired prior to Christmas, say around Thanksgiving.  A TV commercial would be a great way of advertising Lionel's line of LionChief and new plug and play equipment.  This would certainly go along with Lionel's entry level items.

 

Steve, Lady and Tex

the trick is to submit a commercial that doesn't adhere to the rules and get it "banned". It will play on tv for a week for free during the news if this happens.

 

Now you will be thinking "Lionel is a company for families and how dare they make a commercial with disgusting content that gets it banned!!!" But it's much easier than that.

 

Last year one of those make your own soda companies made an elaborate commercial and submitted it to the Super Bowl. It was banned and the media picked up on it and aired the commercial over and over and over again on the news. Why was it banned? They mentioned Coke and Pepsi in the ad. That is a no-no, you cant mention another sponsor in your ad.

 

So, buck up the cash for production. Mention Coke and Pepsi at least once in the dialog and send it in. When it gets rejected send it in to your local news.

Originally Posted by chipset:

 

Thankfully, I belong to a community of people (model railroaders) who are above the herd of sheep-like masses, and who exercise their brains above and beyond the norm, thru visualization, engineering, construction, design, planning and operations, all which encompass everything from electrical, electronics, home improvement, carpentry, etc etc etc, and who have a sense of tradition, nostalgia, family, and who enjoy the greatest hobby in the world.

And for all of that, I thank and praise all of you here on this forum!

So true. And made me think about something.

I was engaged in promoting another hobby a couple weekends ago. Model rocketry, and we were loaning rockets to kids for one free launch, cost borne by the Major Manufacturer and a Vendor.

We launched over 1000 rocket flights in a single weekend !

But my point:

A show organizer was asking what we (the Rocketry Club members) do for a living. Every one of us was an Engineer !!!  Now, that is not the across the board condition, It just happened at that show. Our Club has high School Students, MIT students, A plumber (club officer, also has a degree), A medically retired guy, and the usual spread.

But the point was, those of us really involved tend to be non Sheeple.

That is the real divider, The ones watching TV all the time do not produce much in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Mill City:

Nice thought, but highly improbable. The cost of 30-second Super Bowl could wipeout Lionel's annual advertising budget. Besides, it's the wrong time of year. But, just for fun, imagine what a "Lionel's Super Bowl Half Time Show" could be. Thirteen minutes of pure Lionel bliss. Impossible, of course, but still fun.

I would guess the advertising budget and a year or two's after tax, net profits would be wiped out as well. I think that's just way too expensive for a company of this size.

Originally Posted by Larry Neal:

Get the NFL to have Neil Young play the halftime show, and have Lionel signs prominently displayed on the stage. Maybe a nose of a locomotive sticking out behind the stage. He would be better than some of the halftime shows lately (except Prince, he was pretty cool).

Only now the NFL is charging people to play the half time show.

Originally Posted by Miketg:

If I were thinking of this in terms of marketing, what would I do. Let's see, a float in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, with a nostalgic TV commercial followed by the biggest sale of high quality starter sets that both brick and mortar and internet based businesses have ever seen.

All the best,

Miketg

That is a good idea and long past due.

Have they ever had one, back even during the 50s?

  I would just play Neil Young's" Long May You Run". And show plenty of Lionel Trains  running from the pre-war era to the modern stuff of today. Most people don't even know Lionel is still  around. The Super Bowl spans all age groups and people would enjoy seeing toys of their past and maybe it would inspire them to go out and buy a new set.

  Then again the local train group around here had their monthly meeting in the middle of the Superbowl.  And their home team was playing in it !

Something I picked up from the Forbes website:

 

"This year, a 30-second spot is an eye-popping $4 million while a 60-second spot goes for a jaw-dropping $8 million. And let’s not forget the cost of producing a Super Bowl commercial. The average Super Bowl spot has a production cost that’s north of $1 million and, based on how extravagant the concept is, some can easily double or triple this price."

 

Don't think Lionel's got that kind of money lying around not doing anything.

 

Rusty

Originally Posted by Rusty Traque:

Something I picked up from the Forbes website:

 

"This year, a 30-second spot is an eye-popping $4 million while a 60-second spot goes for a jaw-dropping $8 million. And let’s not forget the cost of producing a Super Bowl commercial. The average Super Bowl spot has a production cost that’s north of $1 million and, based on how extravagant the concept is, some can easily double or triple this price."

 

Don't think Lionel's got that kind of money lying around not doing anything.

 

Rusty

I'm not surprised by these numbers. The days of Lionel TV spots are long gone, to say nothing of airing during a Super Bowl event. Take these numbers and multiply by your zip-code and one can imagine what costs are involved in a halftime presentation. Though not to the same extant, a Macy's Day appearance would share a similar doom.

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Great idea.  I would love to see this happen, I would not put the 

House on it.  By half time of this game, at times a colossal bore (Some

are very exciting) I would guess over half the audience is drunk.

 

I have to give you high marks for a great Topic.  If this did happen

I believe it would be great nostalgia for aging Baby Boomer's like me.

It would be of great interest to all here what the effect on what portion

of the audience is able to comprehend this Lionel Train Commercial, and

the following Christmas buy trains for the kids, or themselves. 

 

Many thanks,

 

Billy C

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Why a Super Bowl Commercial?

 

Why not a video based campaign?

 

They could target those interested because of the nostalgia and have them click through to an appropriate video to entice them to get back into the hobby.

 

Then you could target kids or adults with young kids to entice them via Polar Express type of messaging.

 

Why not? Because even this campaign would cost money. I'd say at least $150,000 for 2-3 well thought out and produced videos, with another $250,000-$300,000 for media for a 60-day online campaign. All in about $450,000. They are not going to spend that, they are nowhere near that in their current marketing budgets, and there is no guarantee that they could generate the additional sales of 10,000 sets to make their money back, not to mention that they'd need to commit to the manufacturing before the need was created.

 

But, if they want to roll the dice, they should contact me, I'm doing similar campaigns for products that are a lot less fun to market!

 

Tim

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Originally Posted by chipset:
Originally Posted by GCRailways:
I'm telling you, Lionel needs to look into creating a line of steampunk-themed trains!

Aaron

NOW thats an idea! SteamPunk is very very popular with the youth today!

I had never heard of this until earlier this year, apparently some tourist railroads like Strasburg are doing some Steampunk weekends. I think Lionel doing something (maybe utilizing the General or the Albert Hall loco as a base) is a great idea.

I had no idea what SteamPunk was either...
 
Googled and found a few interesting SteamPunk trains, here's one...
 
Originally Posted by david1:
What the heck is steam punk?  And forget the commercials,  not going to happen.

Come back to the real world what your talking about is fantasy.

 

Steam Pink is very popular with PC Gamers, and has appeared in many many video games.

In fact, there have started to be Steam Punk themed PC Mice, Mouse Pads, and even PCs.

 

https://www.google.com/webhp?s...teampunk&spell=1

 

The younger folks cannot get enough of it.

AND....trains are featured in all Steam Punk video games!

 

48 Steam Punk themed PC games are listed on the "Steam" website...Steam is the LARGEST online game retailer/community it is a juggernaut and Gabe Newell the CEO is trying to put Microsoft out of business by releasing games on Apple and Linux OS's as well as creating is own OS and PC:

 

http://store.steampowered.com/tag/en/Steampunk/

 

http://store.steampowered.com/app/266070/

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpIPRDNJIVM

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