Lionel Vision Line Announcement

I wish I could like this post 1000 times.

Next year they should produce Vision Line catenary to complete the illusion.

Cool video, QC.  Thank you for posting it.

I'm in for 4935. Looks neat!

In addition, crew talk will be based on former PRR employees who actually worked with the GG-1 (keystone lingo!).

The "screeching" wire sound is very realistic, would be fun to run this engine with the room lights out.

The rivet version for sure, a mechanical "Frankenstein"...

Price? Price? Price? with eight different models, hopefully Lionel will give the potential buyer a reasonable break.

York, as always, a wonderful toy train experience...

 

Even a non operating catenary system would look great on a layout with this GG1.

Here is some more vitriol for all you shining happy people...

 

As a guy that has bought every VL locomotive, even the centipede, I will not be buying this "piece of work". At least not preorder. I'm sure this one will show up in the clearance bins of hobby stores. The GG-1 as a VL is a non starter. Why can't Lionel just take the Visionline feature we know and love, and place them in the locomotives we want. I would by almost any locomotive that had, swinging bell, whistle steam, blow down, dynamo smoke, steam chest smoke, and depleting coal load. And look at the success of the freight cars with freight sound... instant sell outs. The public is screaming for more. Does Lionel listen... NO. They Listened to the SD60E folks that were screaming loudly. I think Ryan Kunkle has left the big steam guys out in the cold with the last two catalogs. I understand his preference to diesel and Conrail but that does not mean he needs to ostracize the steam community. Lionel needs to correct this. Until then... the money I've been saving on the last two catalogs and no VL will be going to MTH. This will be my largest MTH order ever. Triplex, Z-6, 4-12-2, and SD60Es. 3 SD60Es are coming from MTH because I'm still butt hurt over the last two catalogs and the VL selection.

Thank you for proving my point.   Is it really so hard to discuss this without the attacks on people?

 

Winston, you should learn the value of the paragraph.  It makes for much better reading of your self-proclaimed negativity.

 

In the meantime I called these guys for you!  

 

 

Hahaha... No worries. Happy to prove whatever point you are hypocritically trying to make

Sigh . . . . . 

At the end of the day, when everything is totaled up and we try to understand what it all means, it's a discussion board.

If you're satisfied, you can post.

If you're unsatisfied, you can post.

If you prefer the loco, you can post.

If you don't prefer the loco, you can post.

It's never about what you can or cannot say.

If I want to be critical of anything the manufacturers do, as long as I respect the Forum rules, respect the sensitivity of Forumites, and am respectful of all concerned including the manufacturers themselves, I will post away.

One of the main reasons we see the hobby improve, we see the manufacturers improve, and we see ourselves improve is to criticize respectfully.

Now, all of that said, I will brook no criticism of my comments  

My summary?

I have every JLC GG-1 . . . . . . For the love of Casey Jones . . . . . pick a steamer.

You can add some details to your GG-1 but there ain't much to add.

You can play the electric sounds from stereo speakers, but electric sounds mostly get lost when the train runs.

You can try to improve the sound file but, truth to tell, I listened REALLY carefully at your Pennsylvania Railroad Museum introduction (yes, the one I had to pay $10 to get into) and your sound file sounds exactly the same as the one on my six JLC GG-1's.

You can add the arcing sparks from your pantograph and spring the pants but, unless I use catenary, what would I be springing?

If anyone loves GG-1's as much as I do, you already have at least one. Golly, how many GG-1's are enough? I guess every paint scheme. 

I know I am going to ruffle some feathers here, but I will say it again, respectfully.

Please, less time, effort, people power on Ipads, Iphones, Iplumbs, Ipodys, Ipizzaz and more time and money on the trains. Please. I don't want to poke an Ipad to run my trains. I do want more cool trains to run that are different enough I don't already have 17. Now, why introduce the loco and NOT tell us the price ?? Why won't you tell us the price? For goodness sakes, you made a huge party to introduce it, what's the price?

 

 

 

 

 

While they're at it, eliminate the upper bar on each of the 4 cab side windows.  Pennsy never did it.  Lionel started it and all the others followed suit.  Let Lionel end the curious practice.

 

Bruce

 

 

 think hangover is a valid question. It's valid as to "how well did Lionel design this LM for small layouts?".

A scale BB hangs over 072 by several inches, but the LM Challenger does not hang past the FasTrack 072 roadbed.

BTW, how is the MTH sound? Seem like someone said it was lacking compared to Lionel.

 

Now, why introduce the loco and NOT tell us the price ?? Why won't you tell us the price? For goodness sake, you made a huge party to introduce it, what's the price?

In Milwaukee at TrainFest  at the LNL booth the rep talked about features but no price.

 

so lets start a GG1 Price Pool, 

 

the first OGRR forumite to accurately guess the price but not go over the MSRP as stated in the 2016 Catalog gets the pooled money,

 

It costs say $1 to enter; Lionel employees their family members and GG1 consultants are not permitted to enter.

 

MSRP $1,799

 

Street Price $1,540

 

PS: Rich won't let us gamble on this website so I'll buy you a beer

Well, if ya started a pool on the cost of this, it sure didn't last long.  There is no working link in your post.   

 

Thinking out loud, I wonder if there may be another forum that would allow for a pool of this type?

 

Regards,

GNNPNUT

Not unless they want to have a long conversation with a few state and federal agencies that govern online "gambling".....

As my dear old departed Dad used to say "if you have to ask you cannot afford it"

Sell a portable control panel that is just like the real GG-1.

 

Andrew

 

ok the pool was a JOKE. no gambling no need to report me