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Both of these show up fairly frequently on the internet auction, and, of course were

at York.  However, I am not familiar with a boxed Marx set in the 25XXX series that

had both of these cars in it...it must have been an uncommon deluxe set, possibly

a Sears Allstate "yellow box" set.  Before the internet you would trudge through a lot of train shows to find these cars, now...just send money.

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