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@Lionlman posted:

Maybe on purpose so as not to run into licensing issues with the real Sacred Heart Hospital.  Menards did a motel County Inn & Suites rather than the real Country Inn and Suites.  

Which one?  A quick Google search revealed at least a dozen Sacred Heart hospitals all across the country.

Besides, the spelling's correct on one side of the building.

Human error...  Quality control...  Whatever...

Rusty

Which one?  A quick Google search revealed at least a dozen Sacred Heart hospitals all across the country.

Besides, the spelling's correct on one side of the building.

Human error...  Quality control...  Whatever...

Rusty

Yeah, spelled right on one side, not so on the other. Punning aside, someone screwed up. I wonder if they're all like this?

Not bad for Chinese laborers.  They got it mostly right.  All the English letters read from left to right and are upright.  They just pulled an e instead of a c.

On the other hand, I've seen many a Joe Six-pack in America make the same mistake on a Friday afternoon just before quitting time, thinking about his weekend plans with Mary, the little blonde he met across the street from the factory at Molly's, the Woodland Scenics diner that morning.

Hopefully the surgeons inside have a higher standard of quality.

Mike

@IRON HORSE posted:

Not bad for Chinese laborers.  They got it mostly right.  All the English letters read from left to right and are upright.  They just pulled an e instead of a c.

On the other hand, I've seen many a Joe Six-pack in America make the same mistake on a Friday afternoon just before quitting time, thinking about his weekend plans with Mary, the little blonde he met across the street from the factory at Molly's, the Woodland Scenics diner that morning.

Hopefully the surgeons inside have a higher standard of quality.

Mike

I assume Joe Six-pack is married and Mary is not his wife.

@Dan Kenny posted:

China!

Need I say more!!

OK, let's put this in perspective, all three of the following translate to the same word.  If you look closely, only 3 symbols are used, but in a different order or combination.

火车,  列车,  列 火车

As a factory worker in the U.S. with a box of symbols, would you know how to correctly place them on the product to be sent to China?

  Shoot, there are several folks on here who still don't know the difference between and how to use their, there and they're or to, too, and two or were, we're, wear and where.

Yes, it is a mistake, and it is both sad and unfortunate that it happened, hopefully they are not all that way.

Guys,  You need to keep this all in perspective.  This is a minor mistake - probably only few out of the entire lot.

This Forum is FULL of threads speaking to major errors and concerns that were BUILT into some of the products produced by the major train manufacturers.   

Then you have those threads where the errors are at random like the e vs. c.

If you were to remove all of those threads, this site would have a considerable size reduction and Alan would be relieved to have soooooo much more space on the servers and a significant cost reduction.

There will always be errors as they can't be avoided.  Nothing is 100% perfect built by man nor his machines.

We are imperfect beings - thus why the words like "mistake", "error", "imperfect" exist in our language. 

@A. Wells posted:

@Allegheny - Let me remind you gently that we are paying for these items and that comes with a certain expectation that the item(s) will be free of such "mistakes", "errors", and "damage".  Nothing is more disheartening than to take an item out of the box and find such issues.

You are correct that there are expectations and when they are not meet we are disheartened.   We've all experienced this in one form or another

But that's life.  We have to learn to roll with the punches be as unfair as they may be.   

Unfortunately UnclePete received a building with a misspelling.   

The item can always be returned or request a letter c and replace the e or modify the e to be a c.

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Since we have Menards under the microscope, I'd like for everyone to know I got 4 free lighted Ford trucks from Mernards with my order.  Unfortunately, they are all the same color...black.  I guess I can't complain, they are free but it would have been nice to have an array of colors (I thought I was getting yellow and blue.)

Anthony

@Profuse posted:

I sent mine back yesterday. See my post under

Menards latest building The Hospital

Missing signs and LED lights not working.  I expect nothing less than advertised.  Hopeful I'll get a replacement that works.

With issues like that I agree 100% to return the item in exchange for a different one.   It should be functional and the signages included. 

@A. Wells posted:

Since we have Menards under the microscope, I'd like for everyone to know I got 4 free lighted Ford trucks from Mernards with my order.  Unfortunately, they are all the same color...black.  I guess I can't complain, they are free but it would have been nice to have an array of colors (I thought I was getting yellow and blue.)

Anthony

That may be part of the issue.  The trucks came from Mernards 

@Allegheny posted:

Guys,  You need to keep this all in perspective.  This is a minor mistake - probably only few out of the entire lot.

This Forum is FULL of threads speaking to major errors and concerns that were BUILT into some of the products produced by the major train manufacturers.   

Then you have those threads where the errors are at random like the e vs. c.

If you were to remove all of those threads, this site would have a considerable size reduction and Alan would be relieved to have soooooo much more space on the servers and a significant cost reduction.

There will always be errors as they can't be avoided.  Nothing is 100% perfect built by man nor his machines.

We are imperfect beings - thus why the words like "mistake", "error", "imperfect" exist in our language.

Have to disagree with this statement: "There will always be errors, as they can't be avoided." Sounds like an endorsement for mediocrity. The vast majority of errors can be avoided through appropriate quality control measures, and many are obvious.

Pat

@irish rifle posted:

Have to disagree with this statement: "There will always be errors, as they can't be avoided." Sounds like an endorsement for mediocrity. The vast majority of errors can be avoided through appropriate quality control measures, and many are obvious.

Pat

Nonsense:  it is a fact of human existence.  Everything is flawed in one way or another:  there is no perfect creation of Man.

@BatTrain posted:

OK, let's put this in perspective, all three of the following translate to the same word.  If you look closely, only 3 symbols are used, but in a different order or combination.

火车,  列车,  列 火车

As a factory worker in the U.S. with a box of symbols, would you know how to correctly place them on the product to be sent to China?

  Shoot, there are several folks on here who still don't know the difference between and how to use their, there and they're or to, too, and two or were, we're, wear and where.

Yes, it is a mistake, and it is both sad and unfortunate that it happened, hopefully they are not all that way.

    The Chinese factories making products for the U.S.A. are not usually just left on their own to do whatever they think. The Chinese people in the factory do not have to know the English language. An American company will have an American at the factory to approve the item before it's produced.

   In other cases, an American in a U.S.A. office will design the item. The design is sent to the Chinese factory. One sample will have to be produced by the factory and sent to the American office for approval. The person in the American office will have to either 1) Make corrections and send the item back to the factory to make changes and then have them send another sample, or 2) actually "sign off" the item as totally approved and then the factory can produce a full run of the item.

  I don't want to guess where the Menard's item went wrong and I am submitting the above knowing people who have been dealing with Chinese factories for many years.

  John

 

@Menards posted:

Just one question: Did anyone else get a hospital with incorrect spelling? If I were judging by this thread alone, I would assume that EVERY hospital was wrong. Can anyone confirm this for me? I mean, every sample I saw was correct, just saying.

A 31 response thread about ONE incorrectly assembled building SEEMS like overkill, doesn't it?

Again, I genuinely would like to know if this is a wide-spread problem or just the one instance.

Thank you in advance!
-Mark the Menards Train Guy

Mark - I think you missing the underlying point of this lengthy thread.  My suspect is that modelers are getting tired of receiving products that have issues or are just plain out defective.  I know I'm tired of it.  Menards just happens to be a somewhat easy target at this time.

I personally have started shifting my purchases toward manufacturers where I know the product I'm going to get meets my expectations.  This in itself has pushed me further away from O scale.  It's not to say the issue is pandemic among O manufacturers but, from what I see, it seems to be more prevalent.

Anthony

@Menards posted:

Just one question: Did anyone else get a hospital with incorrect spelling? If I were judging by this thread alone, I would assume that EVERY hospital was wrong. Can anyone confirm this for me? I mean, every sample I saw was correct, just saying.

A 31 response thread about ONE incorrectly assembled building SEEMS like overkill, doesn't it?

Again, I genuinely would like to know if this is a wide-spread problem or just the one instance.

Thank you in advance!
-Mark the Menards Train Guy

You did know you logged into the OGR Forum right?   

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@A. Wells posted:

That's why we should all get BORG implants.

Which, per the emergency holographic doctor, will cause skin irritation and inflammation, for which he will offer an analgesic cream.  Apparently, they aren't flawless, either

Seriously, I have a Lionel legacy Mike which is about 6 years old.  It has perhaps 6 hours of run-time, probably less.  The smoke unit failed completely two years ago.  The sound is failing now--it won't make a single loop of my layout without cutting out.  The motor is also beginning to stutter a little at lower speeds.  In other words, it's well on its way to becoming a $1200 door stop.  Not one of my pricey command control engines works correctly.

I say this not as a chapter in my rant against electronic complexity but rather to point out that It Happens.  It happens with automobiles, computers, consumer electronics and appliances, tools, furniture, ad infinitum ad non pecuniam (all based on more or less recent, personal experience).

Trust me when I say it frustrates me, too, but the blame is universal and the prevention is impossible.

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