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Golden Gate Depot Does it Again !!!!
Streamline MKT and Frisco Texas Special AND the Frisco Meteor consists are Now being offered !  Check out the GGD webpage to see !!! Each road is being offered with ALL the Correct cars !!!    
This Will Be Done Right !!! 🙂👍😉.
And of course extras are available too.  AND ………  there will be a re-run E7s that Will include diesels for the Texas Special And Meteor !

Another Great Offering from Scott !!!!!!!  Stay in touch here. I’ll be adding more comments.
Cheers !!! 😜  
TrainBub

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@BlueFeather posted:

Dang . . . those all look very nice.  My dance card's pretty full, but I'm guessing these are at least a year out.  Maybe we'll see a rerun of the SAL Silver Meteor sometime with all the recent Seaboard diesels . . .

Timing depends on how well reservations shape up and where it fits into the production Q. Then, throw in the health and politics in China. I’m Guessing two years for a delivery would be pretty optimistic and mean everything came together nicely. Of course, IMHO.
That’s ok by me. My dance card is pretty Full too !!! 🫢😮     And I need some time to recover from my coming Texas Eagle purchase. 🤪🤪

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Here’s the scoop on E7 diesels for the Texas Special and Meteor offerings. For the Tx. Special, MKT and Frisco Each had 2 “A” units. The Frisco Meteor had 4 “A” units.
All are painted Exactly The Same. Of course the numbering is key but not everyone knows them. So….One differentiates them with other “details”.

The Texas Special loudly proclaims T.S. with lettering on the sides and on the nose and has A star on the nose - for the “Lone Star” state. The 2 road emblems are placed on the side just behind the nose. Here we go subtile. The forward road emblem shows the ownership of the diesel. Example - Frisco placed forward = Frisco ownership.

The Frisco Meteor diesel is a simpler version of the TS as there is no name proclamation on it.  There is only the Frisco road symbol on the nose and a same but smaller version placed between the cab door ladder and nose. And it’s a Bit Different from just Frisco. B2FFD58D-CB2F-470B-B630-A8ACE42B08B5
I find pictures of this “decoration” variant somewhat “scarce”. Perhaps this is due to the fact these 4 were soon repainted to match the newer - arriving E8 “Racehorse” scheme.
This 3rd Rail E7 Meteor May be the First Time it’s ever been done in O scale.  🤔

Here is earlier 3rd Rail run Frisco TS with closed pilot.E7D05A8C-F85C-4E97-BAD5-D0831AC7B582and MKT 6DDEF1BF-844F-4A0C-B9BB-C8FDB62B197ECheers !!! 🙂

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@Surefire posted:

Man GGD and 3rd rail have been hitting my wallet hard. First the Eagle and E6's and now this

Ditto that 🫢. Before that I had the EA and E1 😵‍💫. Key here now is that the Eagle won’t arrive here till fall …… and delivery usually happens a bit later than that. I’ve already started sending Scott Eagle dollars so I won’t get Hammered all at once !!! 🤔 The good thing with this TS and M offering is that we Probably Won’t see it delivered for at Least two years (IMHO) from now - At Best !!!  That Works for me.
This is where patience works in our favor.   Cheers 😜

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@Surefire posted:

Man GGD and 3rd rail have been hitting my wallet hard. First the Eagle and E6's and now this

Thanks for participating in the Eagle offering !!! I can say a lot of heart and soul went into launching it !!! It’s great to see Midwest roads being offered - so long ignored or not well executed. The inclusion of the Meteor with the Texas Special is really quite cool. Frisco is SO Ignored. 😤   I hope it is well received.

Boy I’d love to see Amtrak restore the Meteor - St. Louis to OKC. It’s a Beautiful Very Scenic run for a day train.  

Cheers !!! 😉

@Surefire posted:

What would have been the typical consist for the Meteor? 1 or 2 locomotives? I noticed the base set is 6 cars.

Typically 2 diesels were on the point ( but I do see single “A”s too). These trains “in the day” were heavy with sleepers and more than one coach. Add in some head end cars (heavyweights - let’s hope Scott gets back to these soon -  email him on this !!!) and the consist grows quickly. Some cars split off at Monett (west of Springfield Mo.) destined for Fayetteville and Ft. Smith Arkansas, and Paris Texas.  
This offering is essentially 3 train consists. The Texas Special is more famous and has a Large following. Those two 8 car sets are not a big stretch - the only differences being the cars names.  The Meteor is not as well known and ran in a smaller geographic area.  Again - many of the car types Are the Same as the TS (not all) (All have different names) so extending the offering with the Meteor was not difficult. The 6 car offering is a bit of a small market concession but also could appeal to those with a smaller layout.  It makes it Just a Bit easier to possibly purchase 2 consists too.  Of course the 6 car consist can Easily grow by purchasing extra coaches and 14-4s - a Nice Option. A B&O 14-4 thru car is available too. There are some other options that May yet be made available.  

Cheers 😉

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FYI B&O fans. 🤔
MKT and Frisco Tx Special Plus Frisco Meteor consists picked up B&O 14-4 thru sleepers at St. Louis Union Station. They will add a bit of different color into the TS or M. They can also be a nice addition to an eastbound B&O consist from St. Louis you might be building. 😉

Scott always offers up to 4 cars in the extra car “department “ if prototypical.

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Another FYI.
The Texas Special and Meteor observation cars are Different. The Frisco decided they didn’t need a full diner on the Meteor since it was a night train. They redesigned the Meteor observation car to contain a small diner. So - the Meteor  Interior and window configurations Are different from the TS !!!
Cheers !!! 😉

@TrainBub posted:

Another FYI.
The Texas Special and Meteor observation cars are Different. The Frisco decided they didn’t need a full diner on the Meteor since it was a night train. They redesigned the Meteor observation car to contain a small diner. So - the Meteor  Interior and window configurations Are different from the TS !!!
Cheers !!! 😉

I was reading up on the meteor and saw what you just stated about the train. I like this set & I’m thinking to reserve the Meteor because of its consist being a bit more unusual. Thinking to do the Meteor, 1 matching E7 & the B&O 14-4 sleeper.

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I was reading up on the meteor and saw what you just stated about the train. I like this set & I’m thinking to reserve the Meteor because of its consist being a bit more unusual. Thinking to do the Meteor, 1 matching E7 & the B&O 14-4 sleeper.

The Meteor has one cool different car - a dorm Coach - that the TS does not.  I Like that !!!  The TS has a nice diner car.  The Meteor’s dining facility is in the observation car. It has some neat roof vents to show it’s not your everyday observation car. I think that’s cool.  Of course IMHO. 🤔  

Cheers !!! 😉😉😉

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@TrainBub posted:

FYI B&O fans. 🤔
MKT and Frisco Tx Special Plus Frisco Meteor consists picked up B&O 14-4 thru sleepers at St. Louis Union Station. They will add a bit of different color into the TS or M. They can also be a nice addition to an eastbound B&O consist from St. Louis you might be building. 😉

Scott always offers up to 4 cars in the extra car “department “ if prototypical.

To add on to these comments ……            St Louis was a major east-west transfer hub. Yes The Texas Special and Meteor received thru sleepers from the east in St. Louis but they Also Sent Their 14-4s east. These cars were added onto eastbound trains like the B&O National Ltd. No one’s done this train so I’ve been building my own pseudo-consist as best possible to run with my 3Rd Rail EA AB. Adding MKT and Frisco extras from this offering to my made up consist will add some color and a bit of prototypical flavor.
Sometimes one has to build a consist one or two cars at a time !!! 😜
Cheers !!! 😉

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Scott continues to refine the Texas Special offering - adding more options / extras.  

64 seat coaches are now available as extras for the MKT. Frisco only had One of these so no extras are offered.  

14-4s are offered as extras too. These cars are named after significant historical people - MKT with Texas people as their dominant segment of the route was in Texas, Frisco with Missouri people as their dominant segment of the route was in Missouri. Many of the the MKT names are Very famous / recognizable. The Frisco names are also well known - but perhaps more so to Midwesterners.

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Erik speaks of this Key beauty !!!!! 😮🫢😬😉

008B1AF1-F0BF-4B17-ADC5-36A23C139D4EI wish it were mine …. But it’s not. ☹️  This model/paint scheme is on My wish list when Scott gets around to the next run of E8s. Someday another great add for the Meteor consist. Meanwhile, a well executed 3rd Rail Frisco E7 will  
work Great  !!!
Cheers 😉

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In the “extra cars” section for the Texas Special, Scott shows how many unique numbers of cars will be available for the coaches and 14-4s. The sum of all these extra cars plus the base set with their coaches and 14-4s cars are equal to EVERY CAR that the two roads bought for their joint venture !!!  (Only exception being one later experimental car and another car that replaced a wrecked car). So ….. Every MKT and Frisco streamline car in the Texas Special Will Be Available for the completist. That might be a first. 😮🫢  

Cheers !!! 😉

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@TrainBub posted:

In the “extra cars” section for the Texas Special, Scott shows how many unique numbers of cars will be available for the coaches and 14-4s. The sum of all these extra cars plus the base set with their coaches and 14-4s cars are equal to Every Car that the two roads bought for their joint venture !!!  (Only exception being one later experimental car and another car that replaced a wrecked car). So ….. Every MKT and Frisco streamline car in the Texas Special Will Be Available for the completist. That might be a first. 😮🫢  

Cheers !!! 😉

Love to see that he posted how many of the extras are available. I tend to be a bit of a completist. All we have to do now is get the reservations and get this set across the finish line!

FYI    
3rd Rail has posted a better image of the Frisco Meteor E7. It correctly shows the engine without the Texas Special script on the side and nose - but is missing the small Frisco symbol between the door and the nose. Still - a better representation of this early E7 Meteor engine. This early paint version has never been done in O scale before !!!

Bob Leese earlier mentions/shows (above in this thread) my key Frisco METEOR reference book. It’s by 1B8F8A04-4550-4668-A27D-E6E65C3BB86Cand is still in print. I highly  
recommend it !!!!  

For the Texas Special, my key reference book that I Highly recommend (also from TRRA) is A46841C9-5648-46F0-981F-924089A398D6It is, however, out-of-print and will be hard to find.  It is worth seeking out !!!  If you spot one, don’t pass it up  

Both make Great Reads !!!!  👍
Cheers 😉

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Demand for the Tx. Special was so great, MKT and Frisco had to quickly add cars to meet that demand. They did it with Heavyweights painted to match the streamline cars. They mixed them into the streamline consists and that enabled them to add another consist.  

Be sure to Email Scott that you Would Like To See these cars Get Done when he gets back to doing Heavyweights !!!!  He Needs to Know there IS a Desire to see Heavyweights Done Again !!!!!!
Cheers 😉

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Will the add on coaches and sleepers be named cars? If so, will they be different names than what came in the Lionel sets? The reason I ask is that I already have the Lionel from 2007. I added an RPO from MTH, and a heavyweight baggage and coach from Lionel. I would just have to have duplicated a named car between the different manufacturers. Thoughts?

Will the add on coaches and sleepers be named cars? If so, will they be different names than what came in the Lionel sets? The reason I ask is that I already have the Lionel from 2007. I added an RPO from MTH, and a heavyweight baggage and coach from Lionel. I would just have to have duplicated a named car between the different manufacturers. Thoughts?

Ricky,

Every car has a name and a number. This includes any extras. If you add a listed car “extra” unique number to the same car in the set, you will get the total number of variations of a specific car to be offered. They may not all be used if the orders aren’t there.  Every (original - no wreck replacement) Texas Special car is offered though.
The Meteor had 10 14-4s. 5 or 6 May be offered - again, if orders are there.

Its still early in the reservation/ which cars process. It always beneficial to everyone to avoid what’s been done before. However, the field of names is not large. There’s bound to be some repeat names between manufacturers. Stay tuned …… 🤔

All these offerings are possible but actual production will be driven by reservations.  Final decisions are From Scott.  

Cheers 😉

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@laming posted:

Rob:

Where to find/purchase that book? Hardcover or soft?

I think I would like to have that book.

Thanks for any info.

Andre

P.S. I found a copy at $49.95 + $6.95 shipping. Sound like a fair deal?

Best price I know - Ron’s Books $38.75 / new - only available in soft cover. I believe USPS book rate shipping is Included in the price. Quicker delivery is available for additional $.

TrainBub 😉🙂

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FYI.  
For awhile, Wabash and the Texas Special (MKT and Frisco) had a thru sleeper agreement. It doesn’t get much print coverage, but I hope to get Wabash cars added to the offering as “extras”.  The configuration is 12-4 - a bit different from the 14-4. Wabash cars (3 assigned) rode onto MKT and Frisco to Texas or MKT and Frisco (1 each) rode on Wabash to Chicago.

Reservation numbers will be important to get this Wabash car executed. 🤔

The Wabash car is Blue. Together with the B&O extra, the cars will add an interesting color contrast to a Texas Special consist. I doubt these cars have ever been offered before in O scale  - Always a nice “plus”. Email Scott you’d like to see the the Wabash cars added to the offering !!!

Cheers 😉

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@TrainBub posted:

FYI.  
For awhile, Wabash and the Texas Special (MKT and Frisco) had a thru sleeper agreement. It doesn’t get much print coverage, but I hope to get Wabash cars added to the offering as “extras”.  The configuration is 12-4 - a bit different from the 14-4. Wabash cars (3 assigned) rode onto MKT and Frisco to Texas or MKT and Frisco (1 each) rode on Wabash to Chicago.

Reservation numbers will be important to get this Wabash car executed. 🤔

The Wabash car is Blue. Together with the B&O extra, the cars will add an interesting color contrast to a Texas Special consist. I doubt these cars have ever been offered before in O scale  - Always a nice “plus”. Email Scott you’d like to see the the Wabash cars added to the offering !!!

Cheers 😉

Wabash thru sleepers would be great. But how about the PRR thru sleepers. A few of us have been asking & we seem to be getting nowhere with them.

Wabash thru sleepers would be great. But how about the PRR thru sleepers. A few of us have been asking & we seem to be getting nowhere with them.

Sorry this is slow. For comparison, I can say it took awhile to get the MP Eagle to its final offering - listing.  
We will get there. 👍🙂

So for now ……  🤔
“Extras” I’m wanting to add —>
*PRR through sleeper    
*Wabash through sleeper  
and Not Mentioned Before
*Frisco METEOR sleeper Cimmaron River BUT in Amtrak Era finish. This would be original paint but with painted smooth silver siding. To me, this would be cool as I think it would be a first private car we can add onto our Amtrak consists.  I frequently see the “Cimmy” passing thru Kirkwood Mo. - a St. Louis suburb.

My Photo.

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For ALL of these, Please Send Scott an Email asking him to add these extras !!!!  AND by all means, when they get listed / offered, Place a Reservation. 😉

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I’ve copied my comment from a Rob Leese thread to add some info here / here in top part

Just some more FYI for everyone.

The early E7s for the Meteor were painted the same as the Texas Specials (MKT and Frisco) except the nose and side Had Only Frisco signage. Pictures of the Frisco E7 are a bit difficult to find - especially in color. This paint version lasted only 2 or 3 years and when E8s were delivered in a different paint scheme, the 7s were redone to almost match. There are tell-tale bits that show their “E7ness”.
I believe 3rd Rails offering of a Meteor E7 is a first. If you like the Meteor and E7s, this one’s for you. 3rd Rail will eventually get to another run of E8s and will undoubtedly offer a Frisco E8. 7s before 8s. It can be your choice. Your other choice is to troll the secondary market. I never see 3rd Rail Tx Specials 7s offered. MTH has 2x offered E8s - about 15 years apart. Early was an ABA - not prototypical. Later        just as individual “A”s and with an unpowered option. These rarely show up. Lionel - I don’t know.
Here’s the 3rd Rail Tx Special. Pretend it has only Frisco markings and you have an early Meteor diesel.  I like 3rd Rail as I can easily remove the lobster claw coupler and replace with the enclosed closed fixed pilot.

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The below pic shows 3rd Rail Frisco E7 on left before removal of coupler. Notice it has fixed pilot.
The E8s are MTH and shows a 3rd or 4th iteration paint scheme (not final).

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The second Paint version has been done by Key Models - very scarce and very expensive (and perhaps only in 2rail ???).  This paint scheme is quite detailed.  Later paint schemes always became more   simple.

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The Frisco Meteor ran with 2 “A” units. They had no “B”s.
FYI - I’m in for an 3rd Rail E7 as I don’t have one !!!  
Cheers 😉

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And just to top off the diesel pix, here is HO pic of a Meteor diesel but Sans the Frisco emblem between the nose and ladder, in the silver area.

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NEW Comments  
I’m trying to stimulate a bit more interest in this offering.  This Texas Special / Meteor offering will be the Most Accurate, Prototypical Offering Ever Done In O Scale !!!  Each car type will have accurate interiors - nothing generic !!!  
The Meteor has Never been done - and is do-able because of almost identical consists (a few car differences).    

It is Possible that Every Car Could be done - if reservations support doing so.  The total number of different cars is Not Large.

Heres hoping the people that bought into the MP T&P Eagle offering will also consider this Tx. Special/ Meteor offering. The attention to ALL the Details will be as accurate as seen with the Eagle !!!

As Scott offers items in my collecting area, I always buy in as it is Always Superior. I Do Sell Off the items it will be replacing - the proceeds get applied to the new item. I’ve done this in MP, Frisco, and MKT areas - engines and passenger cars. (Just how I operate. 🤔)

Just trying to “stir the pot” !!!!!!

Cheers 😉



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A friend recently sent me a stunning (IMO) B&W- colorized picture of the early Meteor E7s passing the old Webster Groves station in southwest St Louis county. I Really Like this image as I live only 10 minutes from here. The image is by Don Wirth - more of a Frisco steam guy. Here is his recent book.

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In a round about way with some help from a friend, I Was Able to Get Permission from Mr. Wirth to use the early E7 image (circa 1947 or 8?) here in the forum. Early Meteor diesel photos are pretty scarce so that make this image pretty special. Look closely - you’ll see only Frisco Logos.  
What a Beauty !!!  
Enjoy !!!!!!

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Used with photo owner Permission  NOTE FROM OGR PUBLISHER:  Greg contacted me prior to this posting concerning his permission to use the photo.

Cheers 😉

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And if you do a Cimarron River, be sure the name is spelled correctly.   One M, two R---Cimarron.

The photo is Cimarron River and J. Pinckney Henderson, an MKT Texas Special coach from the 1950's, rebuilt into a private car.   The red paint on the two cars matched perfectly, although each was painted totally independently, as the cars are owned by different folks.  On a special train in Albuquerque, April 2015.

Tony

Cim River and JP Henderson ABQ April 2015

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And if you do a Cimarron River, be sure the name is spelled correctly.   One M, two R---Cimarron.

The photo is Cimarron River and J. Pinckney Henderson, an MKT Texas Special coach from the 1950's, rebuilt into a private car.   The red paint on the two cars matched perfectly, although each was painted totally independently, as the cars are owned by different folks.  On a special train in Albuquerque, April 2015.

Tony

Cim River and JP Henderson ABQ April 2015

Busted on my earlier misspelling !!!!  Where was spell check ??? 😵‍💫🫣😮.
How embarrassing 😳.  Well … at least it wasn’t on a GGD car.
Anyway, nice photo Tony. Good to see you jump into this thread. Let Scott at Golden Gate know you’d like to see the “Cimmy” done, hopefully as your pic shows - an Amtrak era restoration sans fluting. I’ll make sure the spelling is correct !!! 😜
Cheers 😉

@TrainBub posted:

I’ve copied my comment from a Rob Leese thread to add some info here / here in top part

Just some more FYI for everyone.

The early E7s for the Meteor were painted the same as the Texas Specials (MKT and Frisco) except the nose and side Had Only Frisco signage. Pictures of the Frisco E7 are a bit difficult to find - especially in color. This paint version lasted only 2 or 3 years and when E8s were delivered in a different paint scheme, the 7s were redone to almost match. There are tell-tale bits that show their “E7ness”.
I believe 3rd Rails offering of a Meteor E7 is a first. If you like the Meteor and E7s, this one’s for you. 3rd Rail will eventually get to another run of E8s and will undoubtedly offer a Frisco E8. 7s before 8s. It can be your choice. Your other choice is to troll the secondary market. I never see 3rd Rail Tx Specials 7s offered. MTH has 2x offered E8s - about 15 years apart. Early was an ABA - not prototypical. Later        just as individual “A”s and with an unpowered option. These rarely show up. Lionel - I don’t know.
Here’s the 3rd Rail Tx Special. Pretend it has only Frisco markings and you have an early Meteor diesel.  I like 3rd Rail as I can easily remove the lobster claw coupler and replace with the enclosed closed fixed pilot.

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The below pic shows 3rd Rail Frisco E7 on left before removal of coupler. Notice it has fixed pilot.
The E8s are MTH and shows a 3rd or 4th iteration paint scheme (not final).

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The second Paint version has been done by Key Models - very scarce and very expensive (and perhaps only in 2rail ???).  This paint scheme is quite detailed.  Later paint schemes always became more   simple.

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The Frisco Meteor ran with 2 “A” units. They had no “B”s.
FYI - I’m in for an 3rd Rail E7 as I don’t have one !!!  
Cheers 😉

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And just to top off the diesel pix, here is HO pic of a Meteor diesel but Sans the Frisco emblem between the nose and ladder, in the silver area.

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NEW Comments  
I’m trying to stimulate a bit more interest in this offering.  This Texas Special / Meteor offering will be the Most Accurate, Prototypical Offering Ever Done In O Scale !!!  Each car type will have accurate interiors - nothing generic !!!  
The Meteor has Never been done - and is do-able because of almost identical consists (a few car differences).    

It is Possible that Every Car Could be done - if reservations support doing so.  The total number of different cars is Not Large.

Heres hoping the people that bought into the MP T&P Eagle offering will also consider this Tx. Special/ Meteor offering. The attention to ALL the Details will be as accurate as seen with the Eagle !!!

As Scott offers items in my collecting area, I always buy in as it is Always Superior. I Do Sell Off the items it will be replacing - the proceeds get applied to the new item. I’ve done this in MP, Frisco, and MKT areas - engines and passenger cars. (Just how I operate. 🤔)

Just trying to “stir the pot” !!!!!!

Cheers 😉



A few years ago, Lionel imported Frisco E8’s in the same as-delivered paint scheme as the Key model, but with the yellow Frisco lettering, which I believe is accurate for the time period shortly after they were delivered.

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Again …. E7s will happen before we see the E8.
But to comment  ….
The Lionel E8 is kinda ok - I wouldn’t have as the nose isn’t quite done correctly. (My opinion - I’m Very Picky !!!) The white part is much to wide. It should a Very Thin accent against the gold. 🤔

Here is the Lionel (top) side by side with the Key.
The Key gold nose with subtile white trim paint is Much better but is off a bit too - a bit to high (to much red visible under the gold.)


Interestingly, the earliest delivered Frisco E8s did Not have the white trim at all and are quite stunning. To see this, google Frisco E8A Twenty Grand. You’ll see this and several paint iterations.  
Cheers 😉

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Well it been awhile without an update but …… SOON Look For a Couple of Additions to the Texas Special and Meteor offerings !!👍🫢😜😜.                                              

Scott will be adding PRR to the Texas Special Extras ….
and ….. an AMTRAK ERA Frisco Meteor car !!!! Cimarron River 14-4 sleeper.

This is a neat Extra that today runs on Amtrak trains - has for years. It is a restored survivor sans fluting on the sides.

Cheers !!! 😉

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FYI folks. Scott has sent an email - 3rd Rail E7s will be going into production in May. (At this time not posted on 3rd Rail web page) Time to finalize your E7 choices or step up if you are a fence sitter. The MKT and Friscos diesels are identical except for numbers and Road Emblem placement for the Texas Special. The Frisco Meteor is more plain - it has only Frisco emblem on the nose and between nose and cab steps. This will be 1st Ever E7 production run / issue for the Meteor diesel. If you are Thinking Meteor passenger cars, you need this issue !!!  They ran in AA pairs.
Cheers 😉

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I hope everyone got their reservations in for the Tx. Special and Meteor E7s. If you haven’t been checking the 3rd Rail webpage, the diesels Are Now In Production. The Tx Special models are a second run (run one was a special run for JDs Trains) but this will be a run one for the Early Meteor diesel. That will be quite cool.

If you missed the reservations closing, I suggest submitting a “standby” reservation. Early in line gets the earliest opportunity to purchase a desired diesel if a canceled order pops up.

Cheers 😉

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@TrainBub posted:

For the Frisco fans …… a FYI …. As of now, the Alco FA model is to be Next In Line for production at 3rd Rail and The Frisco Will Be Produced !!! I know MTH never did and I can’t remember if Lionel ever it doing either. 🤔🤔🤔    
This Might Be A First in O Scale. 🫣🙂😜  

Cheers 😉

With plenty of FA2’s out there, I do not recall seeing an accurate FA1. Weaver did what I call an “FA-inbetween” with a chain drive.
See this thread for more FA info which contains even more useful links:

https://ogrforum.com/topic/fa2-reviews

If any Frisco fans might be interested, 3rd Rail is offering a 2nd run of the SD40-2. The Frisco red/white model was offered in run 1 but was canceled for lack of reservations. 😤☹️  
If anyone is now interested, Please email Scott and let him know.  Perhaps those that have reserved the 3rd Rail Frisco FA offering can join here. The recently delivered SD40-2 models are  
Beautiful !!!!!  It’s all about #s - getting his attention. I’ve let Scott know that I’ll take 2.
Cheers

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Heavyweight info is much more difficult (for me anyway) to find - especially with (in focus) pictures.
Can anyone comment on Frisco “modernized” coaches. All I see for a “modernized” version is the rounded “turtle” roof that hides AC equipment. It’s looking like the heavyweight window configuration (16/20 windows per side) was never addressed / upgraded.
These modernized cars retained their original #.
Comments appreciated- with links to pix even better.   🤞🤞🤞
Thanks !!!!! 😉

FYI and a Heads-Up !!!

Scott Will Be Adding  
Frisco to the Heavyweight 8-1-2 offering for reservations. There are 2 cars to be done that are prototypical for the METEOR. The car names are  
Robert F. Hoke and P. G. T Beauregard. The cars are red / silver with smooth sides (no shadow lines).  The cars are evidenced in text and photos (1) and listed in consists (2). [There are Only two cars (3)] These 2 cars will offer a bit more diversity to the Meteor consist.  

(1) “Meteor” TRRA of St. Louis H. and T. Society / Summer 2015 - Issue 75, page 108.  
(2) same ref., page 115  
(3) same ref., page 183

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FYI and Heads-Up …. Again

Scott Will Be Adding  
MKT to the Heavyweight 8-1-2 Offering for reservations. There is one car that will be done for the Texas Special. The car name is McInnis. The car is red and silver with smooth sides (no shadow lines).
The key picture with text for the car can be found in    
“The Texas Special” Terminal Railroad Association of DT. Louis H. and T. Society Summer 2009 - Issue 69, page 141.
The car has “The Texas Special” on the letter board, A small Pullman by the doors, and name centered on side below the windows.

This car will be identical to the above 2 Frisco Meteor 8-1-2s except for decals.  

Hopefully these 3 different cars will help us get needed reservation #s to see these cars executed.

Cheers 😉

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@TrainBub posted:

FYI and a Heads-Up !!!

Scott Will Be Adding  
Frisco to the Heavyweight 8-1-2 offering for reservations. There are 2 cars to be done that are prototypical for the METEOR. The car names are  
Robert F. Hoke and P. G. T Beauregard. The cars are red / silver with smooth sides (no shadow lines).  The cars are evidenced in text and photos (1) and listed in consists (2). [There are Only two cars (3)] These 2 cars will offer a bit more diversity to the Meteor consist.  

(1) “Meteor” TRRA of St. Louis H. and T. Society / Summer 2015 - Issue 75, page 108.  
(2) same ref., page 115  
(3) same ref., page 183

R.F. Hoke has a b&w photo on page 108 in the book you referenced. The name on the car side is hard to read without magnification.

The color photo below it is Beauregard.

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@TrainBub posted:

FYI and a Heads-Up !!!

Scott Will Be Adding  
Frisco to the Heavyweight 8-1-2 offering for reservations. There are 2 cars to be done that are prototypical for the METEOR. The car names are  
Robert F. Hoke and P. G. T Beauregard. The cars are red / silver with smooth sides (no shadow lines).  The cars are evidenced in text and photos (1) and listed in consists (2). [There are Only two cars (3)] These 2 cars will offer a bit more diversity to the Meteor consist.  

(1) “Meteor” TRRA of St. Louis H. and T. Society / Summer 2015 - Issue 75, page 108.  
(2) same ref., page 115  
(3) same ref., page 183

As of August 27, I have not seen these added to the GGD reservation page.  Even though I have already created a complete Meteor, if they appear I will jump on this opportunity.

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The Tx. Special MKT and Frisco E7s and Meteor E7s are on the delivery near horizon. I’m thinking at our doors early December if all goes according to plan. The Frisco Meteor E7s will be So Cool as they’ve Never been done before !!!

I’m hoping these beauties spur some added passenger car reservations to move the offering up the pecking order. Reservation numbers are important.  The Q is long and the higher up in the Q gets more attention.  When More reservations happen , this offering can move up in the Q.

Heavyweight reservations are slow so far. Step up for the offered coaches AND Email Scott to Please ADD the Frisco /MKT heavyweight Sleepers !!!!!!!  It’s one thing getting them added to the offering but it’s important to then follow with a reservation.    

This offering will be prototypically correct for Every car - outside And inside. Nothing cookie cutter generic.  

Cheers 😉

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I believe E7s are Scheduled for Early December delivery. If a bit late, shipping Might be delayed till after New Year to avoid December Christmas Delivery Congestion. I hope not but it Seems like delivery is Always a bit later than anticipated. ☹️🫢  
When they Are delivered, Please post some pix for Everyone to see !!!

Cheers 😉

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@BlueFeather posted:

I hope the E7s are delayed because my wallet will need a breather after the B & O Cap Limited!

I’m a bit “lucky”. I’ve only a 16-4 reserved from the Cap to use in my do it yourself Nat. Ltd.   I’d be in “deep trouble” if Scott had offered a full Nat. Ltd offering !!!!!!   Bad enough from a $ point of view - I’ve 5 E7s coming 🫢😳🫣      🤪🤪🤪

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Heads Up / FYI !!!!!!!!  

Scott has posted the design pix for the Texas Special / Meteor on the GGD webpage. They are looking Great.  
As usual - ALL Prototypically Correct. (Exterior Not shown - Meteor observation. It is different as it is a half diner and has a Lot more roof add on pieces. Top pic Is Meteor observation car) No other offering has all the Correct Details as This Offering.  

Scott has posted Reservations will close in early 2025.  So time is growing short - time to step up !!!!!!!!  Choice of 3 consists and Lots of Extras are Possible including a B&O thru-sleeper !!!! 😜

Cheers 😉

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@TrainBub posted:

Exactly !!!!!! This is also true for anyone building a do-it-yourself Nat. Ltd. These cars color  “pop” in the TS / M consists !!!!!
Be sure to get those reservations Made for these extras for both TS and M !!!!

Cheers 😉

I’m considering the frisco meteor 6 car set with a B&O 14-4 sleeper add-on. At this point getting a frisco meteor E7 is a long shot. Can you suggest any other motive power that would pull the train? Maybe an E8 or FA or PA?

I’m considering the frisco meteor 6 car set with a B&O 14-4 sleeper add-on. At this point getting a frisco meteor E7 is a long shot. Can you suggest any other motive power that would pull the train? Maybe an E8 or FA or PA?

The Frisco Meteor will be a cool consist to have. No One has Ever done it. I’ve reserved one plus extras including the B&O 14-4. The B&O car becomes a pool car for my National Ltd. The Frisco 14-4 also becomes a thru sleeper for the Nat consist. Nice to be able to use the cars like this.
Frisco didn’t have PAs but did have FAs. The are primarily freight diesels but I’ve seen pix where they substitute for an ailing E. They are brown and yellow. Eventual Best bet  Will be when 3rd Rail finally gets back and does another E8 run. The Frisco E8s are beautiful.  You’ve some time to decide to reserve a Meteor but Scotts Just posted the engineering drawings and that reservations will close early 2025. I look at this as Q1 until a specific date is posted.
Cheers 😉

A FYI update.  
The Tx. Special / Meteor project is moving along nicely. Just finished a Second iteration in the design process - small corrections and additions to the cars. The project is Really Shaping Up Nicely !!!! The interiors have All that you Expect from Scott - and then some. Lots of Correct Roof details and Correct vestibule exterior details no one usually bothers with. And Lots of Coach and 14-4 extras will be available to grow your consist. Nothing in the market will compare to this run !!!!!!!

Right now, this project is in the production Q right after the Prospector. (This could change - it’s Always #s dependent.) Reservations to close “early 2025”.

Cheers 😉

@TrainBub posted:

A FYI update.  
The Tx. Special / Meteor project is moving along nicely. Just finished a Second iteration in the design process - small corrections and additions to the cars. The project is Really Shaping Up Nicely !!!! The interiors have All that you Expect from Scott - and then some. Lots of Correct Roof details and Correct vestibule exterior details no one usually bothers with. And Lots of Coach and 14-4 extras will be available to grow your consist. Nothing in the market will compare to this run !!!!!!!

Right now, this project is in the production Q right after the Prospector. (This could change - it’s Always #s dependent.) Reservations to close “early 2025”.

Cheers 😉

Still no PRR Run-through cars……

For those interested in a PRR thru-sleeper for the Texas Special, Scott has probably realized the dilemma that project creates from a model making standpoint in terms of prototypical correctness.

The PRR assigned the following cars to the Katy/FriscoTexas Special:



Texas Special Thru-Service Assignment Period: May 16, 1948 to 1950

Paint Scheme: Cardinal Red w/ Stainless Steel Silver w/ Shadowline

Cascade Meadow 10-5 Sleeper

Cascade Range 10-5 Sleeper



Texas Special Thru-Service Assignment Period: 1950 to October 25, 1958

Paint Scheme: 1950 to 5/1953 – Cardinal Red w/ Stainless Steel Silver w/ Shadowline

          5/1953 to 1960 – Red w/ Silver (No Shadowline)

Swatara Rapids 10-6

Tioga Rapids 10-6



For the 10-5 sleepers GGD produced for the 1939 Broadway Ltd, they were modeled after PRR Class PS105, Pullman Std Plan 4072A same as those built for the New York Central Ltd which makes sense so that these models are prototypically correct for at least two railroads.  There were only two PRR 10-5 sleepers built in this class. The other 39 10-5 sleeper cars were PRR Class 105A with two other different floor plans and window arrangements.

For the 10-6 sleepers GGD produced for the 1948 Broadway Ltd, they were modeled after PRR Class 106A, Pullman Std Plan 4129.  The two Rapids series cars assigned to the Texas Spl were Class 106, Pullman Std Plan 4140 which have a slightly different window spacing on the isle side.

With the Katy and Frisco 14-4 sleeper car models having such a high degree of fidelity with the originals such as grab irons to access the roof on the car ends and a roof cover/hatch for the air conditioning ice reservoir (the reason for the grab irons), the question would be if modelers would be willing to overlook the slight inaccuracies of a PRR thru-sleeper as well as which sleeper to model, 10-5 or 10-6 and for the 10-6 which paint scheme?  Again, these inaccuracies may or may not be important to the modeler depending upon their viewpoint.

I am highly impressed with Scott’s work and always grateful to him for his willingness to do his best to fulfill my special requests from time to time so wanted to share why this particular request involves some complications.

As an aside, the two PRR Cascade series cars assigned to the Frisco Meteor with “PENNSYLVANIA” at the letterboard location were not the same plan as the 1939 Broadway Ltd model cars as well and were only in the Texas Spl paint scheme from early 1948 to early 1950.

In my opinion, Katy / Frisco 14-4 sleeper cars also ran on the PRR Penn Texas so I'm fine with ordering one of those cars.

If those PRR fans with special interest in modeling thru sleepers that interchanged with the Texas Special and Texas Eagle, the car to lobby for is a model of the "Recreation Lounge" cars that were built by AC&F for the PRR Penn Texas train.  Now that we have MoPac and soon to be MKT/Frisco sleeper cars to model a PRR Penn Texas train such a train is not complete unless you have a recreation lounge car (PRR Class PLC85R, Car Nos. 7300, 7301, 7302).  Better still, add a Falls series 6 bedroom, buffet lounge car.  In place of a second run of the 1948 Broadway Ltd, I'd like to buy a set that models "The Pittsburgher" which was mostly an overnight all-sleeper train between Pittsburgh and New York City.  Similar to the Texas Special, the Pittsburgher sleepers were re-named after prominent Pittsburghers.

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