Mohawks we need from Mr. Lionel and Mr. MTH.

 If Lionel opts for the L1a pictured. They could use that tender for a B&A Hudson. I have a few Mohawks. 3 L2a's and an MTH L3. I like them all. The Legacy L2a being my favorite. MTH did a nice job with the L3 and 4's. just a terrible sound set. 

Dave_C posted:

 If Lionel opts for the L1a pictured. They could use that tender for a B&A Hudson. I have a few Mohawks. 3 L2a's and an MTH L3. I like them all. The Legacy L2a being my favorite. MTH did a nice job with the L3 and 4's. just a terrible sound set. 

Dave, shortly after the Mohawks came out MTH offered an alternate sound set for them. In the original one the background sounds kind of over powered the chuff. The alternate set reversed that. If you need that set let me know, I will try and ferret it out.

Pete

 Pete, thanks for the offer. A friend has the new soundset. Just haven't had the time to bring my engine over. If the new Proto 3 has a big upgrade in the sound. I may just convert it over.

Is that old Lionel L3 even remotely accurate as a starting point?  It does have a full round boiler.I  have know clue, what say you D500?

I'm fearful Lionel would stuff legacy into that old tooling and charge $1800 for it somewhat like they did with the turbines with the lousy cast in coal load.

The L2a's are some of the best detailed locos Lionel has ever produced.

I have one of the TMCC versions from 2006.  While it doesn't have the quite the slow starting speed. The( Korean made) fit , finish, and reliability of it is superior to any of my legacy locos.

I could certainly go for a newer prototype.

( On a side note I still REALLY want to see that 50th anniversary J3 hudson offered with legacy)

Norton posted:

Dave_C posted:

 If Lionel opts for the L1a pictured. They could use that tender for a B&A Hudson. I have a few Mohawks. 3 L2a's and an MTH L3. I like them all. The Legacy L2a being my favorite. MTH did a nice job with the L3 and 4's. just a terrible sound set. 

Dave, shortly after the Mohawks came out MTH offered an alternate sound set for them. In the original one the background sounds kind of over powered the chuff. The alternate set reversed that. If you need that set let me know, I will try and ferret it out.

Pete

 

Dave_C posted:

 Pete, thanks for the offer. A friend has the new soundset. Just haven't had the time to bring my engine over. If the new Proto 3 has a big upgrade in the sound. I may just convert it over.

I have that new sound set, and for me I can notice no difference/improvement.  Maybe the new PS3 versions coming out later this year will have better sounds.

Would love a L4 with roller bearings.  MTH offered one in two rail but not in three rail

superwarp1 posted

I have that new sound set, and for me I can notice no difference/improvement.  Maybe the new PS3 versions coming out later this year will have better sounds.

What can I say. The one I have is a significant improvement in chuff which is the priority for me. Maybe the whistle is the same, I don't recall at this point but that is a lot less important.

Pete

superwarp1 posted:

Would love a L4 with roller bearings.  MTH offered one in two rail but not in three rail

You keep post this same misinformation! MTH did indeed offered BOTH of the two NYC road number L4b locomotive that had roller bearing side rods, in 3-Rail. I have one myself, and there is currently one on the shelf at Berwyn's Toys and Trains, in Berwyn. IL (708-484-4384)

RickO posted:

Is that old Lionel L3 even remotely accurate as a starting point?  It does have a full round boiler.I  have know clue, what say you D500?

I'm fearful Lionel would stuff legacy into that old tooling and charge $1800 for it somewhat like they did with the turbines with the lousy cast in coal load.

( On a side note I still REALLY want to see that 50th anniversary J3 hudson offered with legacy)

Looks pretty round to me.

But yeah, nice as the old Lionel Mohawks are and how nostalgic they are to me, they are REALLY showing their age now with their Pullmor motors, old sound systems, and (by comparison) crude details. It'd probably be best to do them the same as the Reading T-1's - new tooling in almost every way - but keep the price far less than the latters.

Second only to the Hudsons, the Mohawks are my favorite NYC steam power, so I would buy a new Lionel L3/4/A/B/C at a flick of a switch.

Don't we all Rick?...Don't we all?...

Hot Water posted:

superwarp1 posted:

Would love a L4 with roller bearings.  MTH offered one in two rail but not in three rail

You keep post this same misinformation! MTH did indeed offered BOTH of the two NYC road number L4b locomotive that had roller bearing side rods, in 3-Rail. I have one myself, and there is currently one on the shelf at Berwyn's Toys and Trains, in Berwyn. IL (708-484-4384)

Ok than what's the product number as I search the MTH website and guess what I can't find it. I can find the 2 rail but no 3 rail.

Pete,

sent you a email on the sound file

I would really like to see more Mohawks. I know that MTH has offered a bunch in their new catalog, forget what versions though.

superwarp1 posted:

Hot Water posted:

superwarp1 posted:

Would love a L4 with roller bearings.  MTH offered one in two rail but not in three rail

You keep post this same misinformation! MTH did indeed offered BOTH of the two NYC road number L4b locomotive that had roller bearing side rods, in 3-Rail. I have one myself, and there is currently one on the shelf at Berwyn's Toys and Trains, in Berwyn. IL (708-484-4384)

Ok than what's the product number as I search the MTH website and guess what I can't find it. I can find the 2 rail but no 3 rail.

Maybe you didn't search for the correct L4b, as those two different roller bearing rods models were offered only in sets:

MTH Catalog 2010 Vol 2, 54

Item number 20 3410-1 L4b with roller bearings set with NYC reefers & caboose.

Item number 20-3411-1 L4b with roller bearings set with NYC "pacemaker" boxcars & caboose.

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

I would really like to see more Mohawks. I know that MTH has offered a bunch in their new catalog, forget what versions though.

I think they are the same versions, L3 and L4 with PS3.

I have attached the updated sound file for the Mohawks. Not sure if you can get it on the MTH site or not. I think it was available on request. 

This is for PS2 3 Volt boards.

Pete

Hot Water posted:

superwarp1 posted:

Hot Water posted:

superwarp1 posted:

Would love a L4 with roller bearings.  MTH offered one in two rail but not in three rail

You keep post this same misinformation! MTH did indeed offered BOTH of the two NYC road number L4b locomotive that had roller bearing side rods, in 3-Rail. I have one myself, and there is currently one on the shelf at Berwyn's Toys and Trains, in Berwyn. IL (708-484-4384)

Ok than what's the product number as I search the MTH website and guess what I can't find it. I can find the 2 rail but no 3 rail.

Maybe you didn't search for the correct L4b, as those two different roller bearing rods models were offered only in sets:

MTH Catalog 2010 Vol 2, 54

Item number 20 3410-1 L4b with roller bearings set with NYC reefers & caboose.

Item number 20-3411-1 L4b with roller bearings set with NYC "pacemaker" boxcars & caboose.

You could be right.  I see them on the MTH website now.  These are high rail wheels?  I've always thought they were not done with high rail wheels only scale wheels?  I've also sent a email to Berwyn's about the engine.

 Roller bearing 3 rail mohawk. Not my video..... MTH nailed the whistle on this model too.

superwarp1 posted:

Hot Water posted:

superwarp1 posted:

Hot Water posted:

superwarp1 posted:

Would love a L4 with roller bearings.  MTH offered one in two rail but not in three rail

You keep post this same misinformation! MTH did indeed offered BOTH of the two NYC road number L4b locomotive that had roller bearing side rods, in 3-Rail. I have one myself, and there is currently one on the shelf at Berwyn's Toys and Trains, in Berwyn. IL (708-484-4384)

Ok than what's the product number as I search the MTH website and guess what I can't find it. I can find the 2 rail but no 3 rail.

Maybe you didn't search for the correct L4b, as those two different roller bearing rods models were offered only in sets:

MTH Catalog 2010 Vol 2, 54

Item number 20 3410-1 L4b with roller bearings set with NYC reefers & caboose.

Item number 20-3411-1 L4b with roller bearings set with NYC "pacemaker" boxcars & caboose.

You could be right. 

Not a matter of "could be". I am right, as I own one, plus I was responsible for presenting the whole idea to Mike and Andy, with prototype photos of the two real NYC Mohawks (3144 and 3158) with roller bearing rods..

I see them on the MTH website now.  These are high rail wheels? 

Yes, Hi Rail wheels.

I've always thought they were not done with high rail wheels only scale wheels? 

Nope.

I've also sent a email to Berwyn's about the engine.

The model on their shelf is #3158, as I recall, and is DEFINITELY Hi Rail wheels. 

From RICKO:

"Is that old Lionel L3 even remotely accurate as a starting point?  It does have a full round boiler.I  have know clue, what say you D500?"

I find the "old" Lionel L-3 to be a loco that captures the look of the real one quite well - but its detailing limitations are obvious. The incomplete valve gear just drives me crazy.

However, I sent this one to Timko for a can motor and ERR Cruise Commander/RS (usually I do the ERR myself, but as long as he had it...easy antenna - love those plastic coal loads). Then I weathered it.

I am currently trying to gather some/enough Lionel Hudson (modern 700E) linkage to make it not look silly in that area.

But I do like it: flywheel can motor/ERR/RS - runs like butter; sounds great; basic weathering job w/Bragdon's dry pigments and some craft store acrylics.

It has no traction tires, which is great - it slips when it should (if I were to move the chuff sensor to a driver, add 4 magnets...!), has better-looking front truck wheels (bigger) than most Lionel steamers; Lionel must get that valve gear issue resolved and that pilot/pilot deck lowered a bit, more rear-truck-area details...it could be great, again ("making Mohawks great again"):

Here is a curious question. If you were to suggest to both Lionel and MTH one of the Mohawks above that hasn't been modeled by either, who do you think would come out with it? I would say MTH probably would. I was thinking last week before I got sick of writing into Lionel to suggest some sort of survey that they could set up on their website for a few months(or some sort of timetable). It would have drop downs for certain fields like Steam, Diesel, Electric, then the next drop down would be Engine, Passenger, Freight or Other(not sure what other fields could be inserted in either of those two). Then after that would be fill. So you could select Steam, then Engine, then pop in say L1A Mohawk, or maybe 1800's 4-4-0 or something like that. My guess is though that they probably wouldn't go for it as they said their contact line takes suggestions.

My argument would be though that there could be a way to get a pulse on what people are thinking on a larger scale. Naturally of course this would have the drawbacks as whatever seemed to pop to the top of the list would win out if they even decided it was worth while. I also thought to of the overloading the ballot box issue as no doubt many would be disgruntled with some things they want to be made.

Is there some other way perhaps that a little bird gets into their ears to trend the way more towards what is desired by modelers? Something tells me I am asking way too big. Please tell me if I am or not.

Gotta love Al Stauffer's books---believe the pictures are from New York Central's Later Power? 

Sorry for hijacking this thread many times.  Question for Hot Water.  Your roller bearing Mohawk.  How are the sounds?  is the whistle correct and does it sound like mine in the video link below?  I looked at the product info on the MTH website and the MP3 file for your engine sounds different that the file Pete posted above.

superwarp1 posted:

Sorry for hijacking this thread many times.  Question for Hot Water.  Your roller bearing Mohawk.  How are the sounds? 

Very good, in my opinion.

is the whistle correct and does it sound like mine in the video link below? 

As posted above, the MTH L4b models have the correct NYC "freight whistle" (which is NOT the same as the famous Hudson whistle). However, I did not hear a good example of the whistle in YOUR video, as maybe you didn't blow the whistle much? Also, I have no idea what your "up-graded" sounds are.

I looked at the product info on the MTH website and the MP3 file for your engine sounds different that the file Pete posted above.

 

Hot Water posted:

superwarp1 posted:

Sorry for hijacking this thread many times.  Question for Hot Water.  Your roller bearing Mohawk.  How are the sounds? 

Very good, in my opinion.

is the whistle correct and does it sound like mine in the video link below? 

As posted above, the MTH L4b models have the correct NYC "freight whistle" (which is NOT the same as the famous Hudson whistle). However, I did not hear a good example of the whistle in YOUR video, as maybe you didn't blow the whistle much? Also, I have no idea what your "up-graded" sounds are.

I looked at the product info on the MTH website and the MP3 file for your engine sounds different that the file Pete posted above.

 

 

MTH went back after many complaints and redid the sounds for the Mohawks in the 2009 run.  Pete posted the sound file above. Yours being from 2010 I'm wondering out loud if it's different than the original or updated version.  But I guess it cant hurt to try it and see if I like it.