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DaveP posted:

Rode on something similar some years ago 'down the shore' - this one was a little better prototypically....

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Wow! Brings back memories when I used to run that train back in the early 70's, when the Jenkinson family still owned the properties. The station at the Inlet pavilion was long gone at that time. A crew of us would spend 3 weeks every spring digging the tracks out of the sand by hand then load the train onto the rails. If I remember correctly, there was a second "red" train but by the 70's only one engine was operational.

Chas posted:

How about these?

The F Units in the videos are all MTC (Miniature Train Company) G-16s. I believe the trucks could (relatively) easily be converted to 14 or 15 inch gauge from 16" gauge, which I believe was standard. As I recall, they were on the miniature tracks before the real F units were running.

They originally had placques on the roofs that read "Designed in Cooperation with Electro-Motive Division, General Motors" or something similar. They are very well done. They are lots of fun to ride.

MTC also built the S-16, a "steam" version that essentially used the G-16 gasoline powertrain.

An excellent history and overall tour of a private operation in Arizona, The Arizona and Pacific Railroad can be found here.

 

They eventually went aside in favor of the larger, heavier, more powerful CP Huntington From Chance. MTC tried to compete with the S-24 24" gauge train but just couldn't do it.

The CP Huntington is the standard. We've got three of 'em here. I hear the whistles all day long at home from April - October. As some know, I was the engineer and operations manager for many years during my time with the Parks Dept. We used them as scenic excursions, NOT "amusement rides". They are real trains and need to be treated as such. You can get into a lot of trouble REALLY fast if you are not careful. I've seen some pretty ugly things happen.......

A new, hand built CP Huntington, fresh from the Wichita, KS factory will set you back $200K - Just the engine! All the numbers you see on the sides are the build order number, unless changed by the owner ("ours" were never changed)

There was News story (Wall Street Journal, maybe) that interviewed the Chance family and offered a factory tour a couple years ago. Mr Chance stood in front of the tender of a CP Huntington. He recalled his father, when he started building them in 1961, saying "If I build 10 of these, that will be a big deal and I think I'll be successful". Just then, Mr Chance turned, pointed to the number on the new locomotive on the factory floor and said "Well this is number 384". Chance will likely deliver #400 within the next year.

I'm no longer involved with the local operation

A few photos below, the "big boss" during my years was a camera/photography enthusiast and, on quiet days, it was not uncommon to see him hiking the tracks testing out his latest purchase!

Pulling in, #357 in the lead

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#378, departure on first revenue run, July 1, 2014

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Rare (at the time) Daylight Halloween train. Most usually ran at night with the first one or two trips in quickly fading daylight. #378 is running here, I think the first time it was used on these trains. I think, but am not certain, the trains no longer run at night for Halloween. We always thought everyone had a bit more fun when it was dark. 10457678_718525618232689_5100212070708109069_o

 The #281 is running here. Today, the #281 rarely sees service. This was my favorite engine to run. A few cosmetic details have since been changed, all done by yours truly many years ago.

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Texas Pete posted:
AMCDave posted:

Very cool....love to have one.....but why is the body so WRONG?!?!?!

They should have grabbed a good HO or O scale shell and copied......so SQUARE.......and at $13K I want better.

You guys kill me.  It's an amusement park train, fer cryin' out loud.

Pete

As I told my kids growing up.......'do the least possible to get by'.  NOT

If you are going to do it....doing it RIGHT takes about the same effort as doing it WRONG.   I'm happy my friends and family are the type that take the time to do it right.

BTW....it's not a park locomotive....the video is an ADVERTISEMENT for a product....a flawed product. If Lionel made this the torches and pitchforks would come out!!!  I'll stick with the methods that have won me awards across all my hobbies. Thx

The best park railroad I have ever known (and I have known quite a few)  is the Redwood Valley Railway that is in Tilden Park in Berkeley, California.  Don't laugh if you're thinkin', "what could possibly be in Berkeley, California?"  Well before I run off braggin' about all the beautiful wooded areas the Bay Area has to offer, let me just say that this is one place you just have to see. I wish I had pictures for all of you; especially you folks back east who might not get out west.  Back when I was in high school I even got to work on the railway, which had been a favorite of mine since my childhood.  It's a beautiful place where you can ride a real scale steam train through the woods. Very nice!

OSD

theoldsourdough posted:

The best park railroad I have ever known (and I have known quite a few)  is the Redwood Valley Railway that is in Tilden Park in Berkeley, California.  Don't laugh if you're thinkin', "what could possibly be in Berkeley, California?"  Well before I run off braggin' about all the beautiful wooded areas the Bay Area has to offer, let me just say that this is one place you just have to see. I wish I had pictures for all of you; especially you folks back east who might not get out west.  Back when I was in high school I even got to work on the railway, which had been a favorite of mine since my childhood.  It's a beautiful place where you can ride a real scale steam train through the woods. Very nice!

OSD

Plenty of Redwood Valley Railway video on YouTube. 

AMCDave posted:

Very cool....love to have one.....but why is the body so WRONG?!?!?!

They should have grabbed a good HO or O scale shell and copied......so SQUARE.......and at $13K I want better.

One of the first people to review that YouTube video said the same thing, with plenty of thumbs up to support it:

With all due respect to the work that goes into making a shell like that, that's TERRIBLE LOOKING! When manufacturers can do Z scale to nearly perfect proportions, there's just no excuse for this thing to look this bad. Never mind how much it costs.

Hey fellas,  Stop throwin' all the produce.  I think you got me mixed up with whoever put the Union Pacific engine picture in and someone said they couldn't hide it from their wife or somethin'.  I'm talkin' about the Redwood Valley Railway in Berkeley, California.  They don't  run any diesel replicas there.  The Golden Gate Live Steamers run a smaller gauge outfit around there too, but it's a different group.  The club members ride on their trains but they're small.  Some folks run them in a loop around their house or somethin' and some in their back yards and all and they're very nice too, but the railway I'm talkin' about sells tickets to folks to ride and the people don't straddle the cars or engine.  It really is very nice.

OSD

" It's an amusement park train" well not really.  1.5 scale is 'usually' not used for amusement park trains.  The scale 'most' amusement parks use is called Grand Scale trains and are at least 12 inch gauge (and larger).  I am a member at Train Mountain Railroad which is the worlds largest outdoor hobby railroad with some 37 miles of track.  It is NOT considered an amusement park type railroad and is actively operated by 1.5 inch scale trains.  We have over 350 trains at our larger meets.  Russ

Redwood Valley Railroad 65th Anniversary

Train Mountain, drone view

Hi Russ,  Train Mountain is absolutely AMAIZING!!! To borrow a line from Ciscoe Moris, "OH LA LA!" I went to the Train Mountain website and watched a while.  I was especially enthralled with the snow removal operation.  Very impressive!  Thank you for tellin' me about the museum layout.  Hopefully, I'll get down there soon to see it. Your ol' pal, Sourdough.

Texas Pete posted:
AMCDave posted:

Very cool....love to have one.....but why is the body so WRONG?!?!?!

They should have grabbed a good HO or O scale shell and copied......so SQUARE.......and at $13K I want better.

You guys kill me.  It's an amusement park train, fer cryin' out loud.

Pete

Sorry Pete, but I gotta agree with Dave on this one, to have gotten the lines RIGHT would have only taken a little research and effort. To the occasional guest rider, they may not know/care if the body lines are wrong, but to someone who is going to SPEND $13,500 on one of these it could/very likely would matter. the 7.5" gauge trains like this are much more likely to be privately owned/used than they are to be Amusement Park trains, which are typically in 16" Gauge range.

 I found it neat, and at $13,500 while not cheap, it is much more affordable than Live Steam for someone wanting to get into 7.5" gauge. But for ME, the body lines being so wrong, would be a deal killer, I wouldn't buy it, partly because it would be so hard to look at, and partly because if they couldn't get the design of the body right, what else did they not put enough effort into while designing this thing. doing it right would have cost little if any more to do it RIGHT, than the way they did it, and would have appealed to more potential  buyers, and not likely discouraged any less discerning buyers.

Doug

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