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I had the good fortune to attend the Eastern Division TCA York meet, visit Orange Hall and chat with the Lionel representatives. Got to hold samples in my hands. Here are some observations from your roving reporter:

 

1. The Y3a's on display with six (?) road names were virtually finished near-production pieces. The engines are very handsome, appear to be prototypically correct, and have some interesting refinements compared to the recent Challengers. Cab figures, for one. One feature I like is the tender half of the draw bar, which is internally mounted above the chassis plate and is spring loaded. Consequently, the engine and tender have close coupling, but the linkage is extendable while operating on Gilbert curves and turnouts. Full Legacy and high rail flanges. Visible through an opening on the tender bottom is a window for an IR detector, which is intended for a future Legacy feature with which engine information will be sensed via a special Fastrack section. The SD70's and the Texas Special PA (powered unit) also are fitted with the IR sensor.

 

2. The SD70's are dual motored with two vertical drive power trucks. Both the pilot and coupler on the samples in hand are free to rotate, so the engine has a swinging pilot. However, the scale folk can easily pin the pilot, if so desired. Both hi-rail and scale wheels will be available. Full Legacy features, as per the catalog.  As models, the three samples appear to be accurate representations of the protoype. Operational details of these new diesels are still undergoing further development. Indications are that the SD70's are going to be pretty nice.

 

3. Texas Special PA's were on display and these appear to be in a very advanced state of development. Sharp decoration, but not as glossy as I expected (or would like personally IMHO). TMCC, electrocouplers, directional nose light, and smoke feature were fitted in the powered unit only. The unpowered unit features include a nose light and manual knuckle couplers; hence, a tether (as per the original catalog description) is not required between the two units.

 

4. The word continues to be that the Defender set is to be built. I was emphatically told this without actually having had to ask the question.  No samples were on display, however.

 

5. A combination of discussion and reading between the lines suggests that a full S gauge Fastrack system with wider (K-Line curves), a higher number turnout than the Gilbert footprint, etc. are due for development. I was left with the feeling that a truly complete track system with all the finally intended types and sections may take several years to finally make it to market. High capital costs were cited. It was so with the O gauge Fastrack system during the last decade.

 

6. An undecorated (black) sample of the body of the cylindrical hopper was on display. The sample had a nice 'feel' and looked like a good start.

 

That's about it -- a fair amount of good news, actually.

 

Bob

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You mean the SD70 doesn't fly around with the greatest of ease like in the video? I thought the Lionel guys were trying to keep it from flying away!  Figured that's why it was called American Flyer...

 

Seriously, thanks for the report, Bob.  The drawbar you mentioned on the Y3 sounds similar to what the Euro HO manufacturers have been doing for decades.  Looks like good things are happening with Flyer soon.  Hopefuly, we'll see more selection in scale freight cars announced in the next Flyer catalog.

 

It gets even more interesting now to see how MTH responds.

 

Rusty

Originally Posted by NotInWI:

Bob,

 

Thanks for the report.  Was there any mention of what the IR feature of the fast track would activate?  Also, did the Texas set have the "wired tether  between the two units? (i'm hoping not)

 

I really hope Lionel continues the trend of one new steamer and one new diesel in 2013.

 

Ben

Ben,
 
They were rather general to me in their answer about the function, but as I understand it, data such as speed and distance could be sent from a locomotive back to the command base. TMCC and Legacy currently have only one way communication to an engine. The new IR system might provide a form of two way communication. MTH's DCS does have elements of two way communication. An IR communication link (presumedly) would give Lionel Legacy a functionality roughly along the same lines.
 
No tether (wire or IR) was fitted to the pair of Texas Special PA's on display. As I recall, the unpowered unit has a nose light, manual couplers, and goes along for the ride. This configuration appears to be at variance with the original catalog description.
 
Bob
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Originally Posted by D&H 65:

Bob: Thanks for your "S" report. Was the rear "engine" on the Y3a fixed or does it rotate ala a "Lionmaster" design?

D&H,


As with the previous L-AF Big Boy and Challengers, both sets of drivers pivot. There would be no way to negotiate Gilbert curves and turnouts without this practical concession.

 

Bob

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Originally Posted by richabr:

pre-production samples and catalog renderings are often not exactly what is produced.

 

Rich

Very true about the catalog renderings, the scale Flyer is retouched O gauge product and I always take those with a grain of salt.   MTH is also very fond of the "blank canvas" side view locomotive that has the decoration digitally applied.

 

However, the pre-production samples that Lionel had displayed for the Challenger and U33C were very close to the final product.

 

Rusty

one of the worst in catalogs was the photo of the Pig Palace stock car. Link coupler sideframes with an oddly placed photoshopped knuckle coupler. At York there was a NS SD70 which looked production ready and I think (don't know the difference between modern diesels) an unpainted one which looked almost like a mock up. The PA's looked nice in the dull finish but I don't know if they were runnable or just showing off the paint scheme.

 

Rich

Originally Posted by Mike W.:

Will Lionel still sell the K-Line derived tubular S gauge track for us purists?

 

Any chance on a PW Celebration line bringing back many of the old Flyer steamers and cars like the Madison cars...Gilbert tooling of course.  The scale pieces are needed but just don't have the charm of a pure Gilbert Flyer chuffing around the track. 

 

Remy Convery did mention to me the likelihood of seeing the newly tooled Northern again. Much of the old tooling is an iffy proposition. There is, however, much original New Haven Gilbert in the marketplace in every condition to fit every wallet -- lots of nice trains and lots of track and turnouts. If one wants to 'Go Gilbert', one need not worry about what Lionel is going to do next.

 

Bob

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