thanks boilermaker, I also dug very deep to come up with the master Legacy book in my pile of stuff and what you say matches and works, the orange module was a tad easier for me.
Can someone post a picture of the Erie Lackawanna units in the standard paint. that is one of my favorite paint schemes.
Awaiting pics of the EL and UP
The Southern SD45's look great but shouldn't the decoration be gold metallic and not yellow?
Tom Densel posted:I just opened up my Penn Central SD45 and tried it out. This thing is a brute! The only issue I had was when I had it coupled to an Atlas O SD35 dummy unit. The coupler on the SD45 wanted to ride up on the Atlas coupler. After one lap around the layout the couplers were engaged by only about 1/8". After further inspection, I found that the Atlas coupler sits somewhat lower than most of my other locomotive couplers. I coupled it to a Lionel GP35 dummy unit and the couplers matched up quite well.
I was concerned about the advertised 0-54 minimum radius as I have 0-42 maximum radius curves on my layout. I did a solo test run to check clearances and tracking. I then coupled it to a train with the before mentioned Atlas O SD35 in the consist. The semi-fixed pilots worked well with the swinging pilots of the SD35. I then put the GP35 in the consist and got excellent results.
Here is a video I shot of the SD45 in action. (Sorry about the unsteady picture. I was trying to operate the camera and the Cab-1 at the same time.)
Tom
Love that lashup there.
Back on page 2 LIONLMAN posted beautiful pictures of the High Hood Southern SD45....I get mine Wednesday, and am excited.....I am learning how to deal with Withdrawal do to no Legacy Orange Module, which to me sounds like a cost cutting move on Lionel's part.....Although the module is not a dire necessity, it completes the package to me....Yes it's worth a $10 dollar bill to me.....Happy Railroading....
still no Erie Lackawanna or UP's pics...someone has to have them.
Here's some photos of the UP and EL BiCen
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Those are the best looking of the bunch I've seen, especially the EL. Thanks for the pics.
Well, I’ve gone and done it: Bought my first Legacy engine! And it is a beauty- the SD-45 in EL in bicentennial colors. Great looking engine!
It has been a while since I bought a Lionel engine. Looking at this, things sure have changed! The first thing I noticed was the packaging. Lionel provided plenty of carefully cut /molded foam pieces to protect the unit from damage. And it was really tightly packed, I’d say on par with Atlas.
The next surprise was that the pilot is no longer attached to the power truck. The pilot and coupler are now attached via a swivel to the leading (and trailing) edge of the frame! Is this just Legacy, or has Lionel gone this way with all their diesels? What is everyone’s experience with this arrangement?
Being able to take the side frames off without disassembling the entire truck just to change traction tires is sweet! I dreaded working on their Alco C-420s just for that reason.
While we are looking at the bottom, what is the small square device in the center of the fuel tank? I did not see anything about it in my fast run through the engine manual.
Gone is the hard to get to location for the control switches for Run/Program, Smoke on/off, and Odessey on/off. These are now cleverly concealed under a removable panel that holds the rear radiator fans! Lift the guard rail next to the last fan, and off it comes. Replace the panel and tiny magnets hold it in place securely. Nice!
One piece that did fall off when I inverted the engine was the exhaust stack. Was this supposed to happen? I did not see a particular means to keep it in place. While we are on the exhaust stack, including a plastic pipette to fill the smoke fluid is a very nice touch. Every engine should have this!
Since this is the sole Legacy unit on my layout, I have no Legacy controller. I’m planning on running with my TMCC CAB-1 for now. What features will I not be able to access with my CAB-1? Depending on what they are, and how often I could use them, I might just spring for the controller unit next.
Chris
LVHR
Great pictures, has anyone got the EL in the standard paint?
lehigh: my suggestion is to bite the bullet and get a legacy set up. These are really nice engines and mine runs appreciably better in Legacy.
Gorgeous locomotive!
Wow, these are super nice Locomotives...Mine came today....
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Will the plastic pipette fit though the braces of the exhaust stack?
That might be the reason that the stack comes off.
NVisich posted:Here's some photos of the UP and EL BiCen
The roof should be red on the bicentennial and the black on the roof of the gray and yellow EL should extend down more on the side, also the blower duct on the fireman's side is the wrong length, should be longer . Lionel did the correct length on the GN version which is also correct for EL. The add in their catalog states that the models would have road specific details including the blower duct. It's disappointing to reserve a model, based on the manufacturers add expecting it to be correct, within reason and to finally get the product and have it flawed by avoidable mistakes .
lehighline posted:Well, I’ve gone and done it: Bought my first Legacy engine! And it is a beauty- the SD-45 in EL in bicentennial colors. Great looking engine!
While we are looking at the bottom, what is the small square device in the center of the fuel tank? I did not see anything about it in my fast run through the engine manual.
Chris
LVHR
Is that the Lionel FasTrak IR sensor?
BobbyD posted:Is that the Lionel FasTrak IR sensor?
Most Likely.
joea9809 posted:NVisich posted:Here's some photos of the UP and EL BiCen
The roof should be red on the bicentennial and the black on the roof of the gray and yellow EL should extend down more on the side, also the blower duct on the fireman's side is the wrong length, should be longer . Lionel did the correct length on the GN version which is also correct for EL. The add in their catalog states that the models would have road specific details including the blower duct. It's disappointing to reserve a model, based on the manufacturers add expecting it to be correct, within reason and to finally get the product and have it flawed by avoidable mistakes .
See its not only the GN engines they got wrong.
Well I finally had time to get outside and get a few pics of the Great Northern next to Golden Gate Depot passenger cars from a few years back. I picked up the cars on trainz auction for 1/2 price. Wish I was getting the up coming Empire Builder for that price. I ordered 2 Great Northern and 2 Southern Pacific. I'm not an expert but I am happy with the SD45's. The color difference is very slight and the GGD cars appear to have a little pink tone to them. I guess it depends on your monitor and your opinion. Enjoy the pictures and let the arguing begin. Me, I am going to run the cr_p out of these SD45's and may pull these cars behind them perfect color match or not.
here is Omaha off The GNGoat web site. Of course there is no telling what light it was shot under.
I like this forum and enjoy every ones views. But lately I can't even get a new engine in the door before it has been destroyed on this site for one reason or the other. I may go for a UP version depending on what's in the next catalog. Wish they had painted the UP in original paint scheme and original numbers.
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Maybe SP and/or GN SDP45 engines next?
Did GN run straight 45's ahead of the SDP units on passenger trains?
Dominic Mazoch posted:Maybe SP and/or GN SDP45 engines next?
Did GN run straight 45's ahead of the SDP units on passenger trains?
No GN ordered the SDP45 to replace the F units on the Empire builder and we're delivered in the BSB scheme. GN also ordered the F45s that besides freight also pulled the Empire Builders.
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I did see a picture of a SD45 and a sdP40 pulling a passenger train. I was thinking more as today on railfan special. But I will take a SDP45.
Blue Streak posted:I did see a picture of a SD45 and a sdP40 pulling a passenger train. I was thinking more as today on railfan special. But I will take a SDP45.
Funny I wasn't even going there but yes there are pics of SD45 pulling passenger equipment. That would be #400 on excursion runs. Where you also find the passenger cars are in the Empire Builder Scheme. not in the BSB Scheme.
Blue Streak, thanks for the pics and positive comments. While I get the high expectations for pricey items, I also wish that there was less incendiary commentary about new products. In truth, it seems only to be a handful of posters, but it doesn't take many to sour the mood.
Not sure what you guys are complaining about the colors being off. Looks like Lionel got the black on my Penn Central just right! I think my MTH Premier passenger cars look great behind it. I really do understand how aggravating it is to receive something that has operating or cosmetic(color being off) issues. All I can say about mistakes from Lionel is this.....................................Lionel,.Please,please,please, don't screw up those Union Pacific 21" passenger cars a lot of us have been waiting for a long time.
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I cancelled the set of 3, GN SD45s I had on order when I saw the paint was wrong...again. I'll be visiting the Lionel people at the NMRA show in Orlando tomorrow...if they are there. In this day and age of computer paint matching I don't understand this. Atlas fixed their GN paint when I asked them why their N and HO models have the right orange/green colors but their O scale was really off the mark and Tom got it fixed. Perhaps we can use the same psychology on Lionel by asking them: Atlas fixed their GN colors, why can't Lionel do the same?
TrainTronics posted:I cancelled the set of 3, GN SD45s I had on order when I saw the paint was wrong...again. I'll be visiting the Lionel people at the NMRA show in Orlando tomorrow...if they are there. In this day and age of computer paint matching I don't understand this. Atlas fixed their GN paint when I asked them why their N and HO models have the right orange/green colors but their O scale was really off the mark and Tom got it fixed. Perhaps we can use the same psychology on Lionel by asking them: Atlas fixed their GN colors, why can't Lionel do the same?
Very unfortunate about Lionel's Great Northern colors. The orange was really off on their GP35s as well (and on their GP-9s before that). They lost sales to me as well because of this. The Great Northern GP35s are still sitting around dealers' shelves because their color is so bad. The same fate awaits the SD45s, it would appear.
I hope you post Lionel's response if you do see one of their reps at the show. While you're at it, ask them why they can't get the Rio Grande orange color correct either.
Well, in that podcast Ryan Kunkle said "Looking over some Great Northern art for a new project we're working on right now we are actually changing the orange color".
breezinup posted:TrainTronics posted:I cancelled the set of 3, GN SD45s I had on order when I saw the paint was wrong...again. I'll be visiting the Lionel people at the NMRA show in Orlando tomorrow...if they are there. In this day and age of computer paint matching I don't understand this. Atlas fixed their GN paint when I asked them why their N and HO models have the right orange/green colors but their O scale was really off the mark and Tom got it fixed. Perhaps we can use the same psychology on Lionel by asking them: Atlas fixed their GN colors, why can't Lionel do the same?
Very unfortunate about Lionel's Great Northern colors. The orange was really off on their GP35s as well (and on their GP-9s before that). They lost sales to me as well because of this. The Great Northern GP35s are still sitting around dealers' shelves because their color is so bad. The same fate awaits the SD45s, it would appear.
I hope you post Lionel's response if you do see one of their reps at the show. While you're at it, ask them why they can't get the Rio Grande orange color correct either.
I've read some comments about how we shouldn't criticize the paint on models...well, if the color is so far off why shouldn't somebody say something? I've also spoke with Scott Mann at 3rd Rail about his defective GN Empire Builder paint, not sure if he will do anything about it, tho. All Ryan Kunkle needs to do is have a look at an Atlas GP-35 and copy the paint colors, it's nearly perfect. I have an extra one if he wants to buy it, still new in its box. Make me an offer I can't refuse.
Absolutely I will post Lionel's comments, and I will ask about why Lionel can't get the D&RG orange correct and will let you know what they say.
TrainTronics posted:breezinup posted:TrainTronics posted:I cancelled the set of 3, GN SD45s I had on order when I saw the paint was wrong...again. I'll be visiting the Lionel people at the NMRA show in Orlando tomorrow...if they are there. In this day and age of computer paint matching I don't understand this. Atlas fixed their GN paint when I asked them why their N and HO models have the right orange/green colors but their O scale was really off the mark and Tom got it fixed. Perhaps we can use the same psychology on Lionel by asking them: Atlas fixed their GN colors, why can't Lionel do the same?
Very unfortunate about Lionel's Great Northern colors. The orange was really off on their GP35s as well (and on their GP-9s before that). They lost sales to me as well because of this. The Great Northern GP35s are still sitting around dealers' shelves because their color is so bad. The same fate awaits the SD45s, it would appear.
I hope you post Lionel's response if you do see one of their reps at the show. While you're at it, ask them why they can't get the Rio Grande orange color correct either.
I've read some comments about how we shouldn't criticize the paint on models...well, if the color is so far off why shouldn't somebody say something? I've also spoke with Scott Mann at 3rd Rail about his defective GN Empire Builder paint, not sure if he will do anything about it, tho. All Ryan Kunkle needs to do is have a look at an Atlas GP-35 and copy the paint colors, it's nearly perfect. I have an extra one if he wants to buy it, still new in its box. Make me an offer I can't refuse.
Absolutely I will post Lionel's comments, and I will ask about why Lionel can't get the D&RG orange correct and will let you know what they say.
What's the road number of the GP35?
suzukovich posted:TrainTronics posted:breezinup posted:TrainTronics posted:I cancelled the set of 3, GN SD45s I had on order when I saw the paint was wrong...again. I'll be visiting the Lionel people at the NMRA show in Orlando tomorrow...if they are there. In this day and age of computer paint matching I don't understand this. Atlas fixed their GN paint when I asked them why their N and HO models have the right orange/green colors but their O scale was really off the mark and Tom got it fixed. Perhaps we can use the same psychology on Lionel by asking them: Atlas fixed their GN colors, why can't Lionel do the same?
Very unfortunate about Lionel's Great Northern colors. The orange was really off on their GP35s as well (and on their GP-9s before that). They lost sales to me as well because of this. The Great Northern GP35s are still sitting around dealers' shelves because their color is so bad. The same fate awaits the SD45s, it would appear.
I hope you post Lionel's response if you do see one of their reps at the show. While you're at it, ask them why they can't get the Rio Grande orange color correct either.
I've read some comments about how we shouldn't criticize the paint on models...well, if the color is so far off why shouldn't somebody say something? I've also spoke with Scott Mann at 3rd Rail about his defective GN Empire Builder paint, not sure if he will do anything about it, tho. All Ryan Kunkle needs to do is have a look at an Atlas GP-35 and copy the paint colors, it's nearly perfect. I have an extra one if he wants to buy it, still new in its box. Make me an offer I can't refuse.
Absolutely I will post Lionel's comments, and I will ask about why Lionel can't get the D&RG orange correct and will let you know what they say.
What's the road number of the GP35?
It's GN #3025, but it's also a 2-rail. I model both 2 and 3 rail, yeah, I know it's weird. Also into S, HO, N and Z, just can't stop my love for trains :-) Even quit my job in broadcasting to go to work for the Soo (CP) roundhouse (ex-Milw Rd) in St. Paul, MN and went into conductor service before my wife said enough already...sigh.
-Kevin Kaas, GN, NP & Soo modeler, and a little CB&Q, C&NW, Milw, DM&IR, M&StL, Santa Fe, PRR, NYC, B&O, C&O, ACL, LV, and and and...actually, my wife models the NYC, I just adopted it...aaugh!...help me, I can't stop!!
TrainTronics posted:suzukovich posted:TrainTronics posted:breezinup posted:TrainTronics posted:I cancelled the set of 3, GN SD45s I had on order when I saw the paint was wrong...again. I'll be visiting the Lionel people at the NMRA show in Orlando tomorrow...if they are there. In this day and age of computer paint matching I don't understand this. Atlas fixed their GN paint when I asked them why their N and HO models have the right orange/green colors but their O scale was really off the mark and Tom got it fixed. Perhaps we can use the same psychology on Lionel by asking them: Atlas fixed their GN colors, why can't Lionel do the same?
Very unfortunate about Lionel's Great Northern colors. The orange was really off on their GP35s as well (and on their GP-9s before that). They lost sales to me as well because of this. The Great Northern GP35s are still sitting around dealers' shelves because their color is so bad. The same fate awaits the SD45s, it would appear.
I hope you post Lionel's response if you do see one of their reps at the show. While you're at it, ask them why they can't get the Rio Grande orange color correct either.
I've read some comments about how we shouldn't criticize the paint on models...well, if the color is so far off why shouldn't somebody say something? I've also spoke with Scott Mann at 3rd Rail about his defective GN Empire Builder paint, not sure if he will do anything about it, tho. All Ryan Kunkle needs to do is have a look at an Atlas GP-35 and copy the paint colors, it's nearly perfect. I have an extra one if he wants to buy it, still new in its box. Make me an offer I can't refuse.
Absolutely I will post Lionel's comments, and I will ask about why Lionel can't get the D&RG orange correct and will let you know what they say.
What's the road number of the GP35?
It's GN #3025, but it's also a 2-rail. I model both 2 and 3 rail, yeah, I know it's weird. Also into S, HO, N and Z, just can't stop my love for trains :-) Even quit my job in broadcasting to go to work for the Soo (CP) roundhouse (ex-Milw Rd) in St. Paul, MN and went into conductor service before my wife said enough already...sigh.
-Kevin Kaas, GN, NP & Soo modeler, and a little CB&Q, C&NW, Milw, DM&IR, M&StL, Santa Fe, PRR, NYC, B&O, C&O, ACL, LV, and and and...actually, my wife models the NYC, I just adopted it...aaugh!...help me, I can't stop!!
Well that was a thought. I model primarily CB&Q and GN, with some NP, BN,SP,ATSF(all zebras) ,SCL,Seaboard.
suzukovich posted:TrainTronics posted:suzukovich posted:TrainTronics posted:breezinup posted:TrainTronics posted:I cancelled the set of 3, GN SD45s I had on order when I saw the paint was wrong...again. I'll be visiting the Lionel people at the NMRA show in Orlando tomorrow...if they are there. In this day and age of computer paint matching I don't understand this. Atlas fixed their GN paint when I asked them why their N and HO models have the right orange/green colors but their O scale was really off the mark and Tom got it fixed. Perhaps we can use the same psychology on Lionel by asking them: Atlas fixed their GN colors, why can't Lionel do the same?
Very unfortunate about Lionel's Great Northern colors. The orange was really off on their GP35s as well (and on their GP-9s before that). They lost sales to me as well because of this. The Great Northern GP35s are still sitting around dealers' shelves because their color is so bad. The same fate awaits the SD45s, it would appear.
I hope you post Lionel's response if you do see one of their reps at the show. While you're at it, ask them why they can't get the Rio Grande orange color correct either.
I've read some comments about how we shouldn't criticize the paint on models...well, if the color is so far off why shouldn't somebody say something? I've also spoke with Scott Mann at 3rd Rail about his defective GN Empire Builder paint, not sure if he will do anything about it, tho. All Ryan Kunkle needs to do is have a look at an Atlas GP-35 and copy the paint colors, it's nearly perfect. I have an extra one if he wants to buy it, still new in its box. Make me an offer I can't refuse.
Absolutely I will post Lionel's comments, and I will ask about why Lionel can't get the D&RG orange correct and will let you know what they say.
What's the road number of the GP35?
It's GN #3025, but it's also a 2-rail. I model both 2 and 3 rail, yeah, I know it's weird. Also into S, HO, N and Z, just can't stop my love for trains :-) Even quit my job in broadcasting to go to work for the Soo (CP) roundhouse (ex-Milw Rd) in St. Paul, MN and went into conductor service before my wife said enough already...sigh.
-Kevin Kaas, GN, NP & Soo modeler, and a little CB&Q, C&NW, Milw, DM&IR, M&StL, Santa Fe, PRR, NYC, B&O, C&O, ACL, LV, and and and...actually, my wife models the NYC, I just adopted it...aaugh!...help me, I can't stop!!
Well that was a thought. I model primarily CB&Q and GN, with some NP, BN,SP,ATSF(all zebras) ,SCL,Seaboard.
Excellent! I'm tempted to add SCL to the list as well...like I really need another addition, more like an addition onto the house.
I have the UP versions no.1 and 21, and they have a 3 stage horn which I have been told is prototype . Nice sound, definitley different. Engine has very pronounced turbo charger sound. Nice engines
I am interested in the EL version but I do have a question. Listening to the prime mover sounds, it sounds identical to my SD70ACe. I don't have these units side by side, so it is difficult to tell. I do know that the 20 cylinder 645 does not sound like the 16 cylinder 710. Is my hearing off or do both engines have the same prime mover sounds?
TrainTronics posted:I've read some comments about how we shouldn't criticize the paint on models...well, if the color is so far off why shouldn't somebody say something? I've also spoke with Scott Mann at 3rd Rail about his defective GN Empire Builder paint, not sure if he will do anything about it, tho.
Not sure who said we shouldn't critcize the paint. Complete nonsense. If the manufacturers are asking us to pay $600 and up for engines, they need to get the colors correct. They should also appreciate efforts by customers to point out ways to make their products better.
Here are some shots of the Erie Lackawanna SD45 with standard paint scheme. There was a small piece of front piping that was cracked when I received it but was very easy to repair. Overall, the model was packed well.
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Dr. Bunsen Honeydew posted:Here are some shots of the Erie Lackawanna SD-40
Looks more like an SD45 to me.
with standard paint scheme. There was a small piece of front piping that was cracked when I received it but was very easy to repair. Overall, the model was packed well.
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