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Orphan Cars Part 2

I had a Studebaker Lark V8 in the early ‘60s, It was a quick and economical. It left me with a soft spot for Studebakers. I have a vintage 1952 Studebaker Commander V8. Although not as quick as my little Lark, the 61-year-old car, has no trouble keeping up with modern traffic.

 

 

Cars driving toward you from front to back.
1941 Champion from Western Models.
1950 Land Cruiser from Brooklin
1952 Champion from Brooklin
Going away toward the back
1950 Champion Starlite coupe from Yat Ming.
1985 Golden Hawk from Matchbox.
1953 starliner hardtop from Brooklin.
In the service station and next to the dealer
1938 Coupe Express pickup from Matchbox
1952 R5 pickup from Brooklin.
 The car to the left front is a1957 Packard Clipper from Brooklin.
Although not a Studebaker, it was built on a Studebaker President platform. They are affectingly refereed to as Packardbakers  It had a Supercharged 289 V8, the same engine as the Golden Hawk.

 

 

Inside the showroom
1954 Conestoga wagon from Brooklin
1953 starliner hardtop from Franklin Mint
In the driveway.
1950 Land Cruiser from Brooklin

 

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Way back then I thought the Avanti was very, very cool: the car for people with exceptionally good taste, etc.  Studebaker really needed a bigger displacement V8 - even American motors had their 340 and 390. 

 

I also recall being very impressed that the Excaliber - a car I also liked a lot at the time (still do) - at least some of the first ones - originally came with the Studebaker V8. 

 

Edit: BTW I noticed that Diecast Direct lists a 1:43 Automodello Avanti, in gold, matching the one you have in the picture, arriving in June 2013.  Its Brooklin price range but will be nice.  I'm thinking about it.

Lee:
Buby and Franklin Mint both offered 1/43 Avantis.
You are correct in saying Studebaker needed a larger engine. Remember that the Avanti was developed on a shoestring budget. The engine was bored close to its maximum from the original 232 C.I. They could not increase the stroke in their V8 any more because it had a gear driven rather than chain driven camshaft. As a result the cam was low in the block and would have interfered with the crankshaft counterweights. They could have used the Packard V8 but it was to heavy and they could not justify the cost of putting it back into production although they did use a 352 C.I. Packard engine in the 1956 Golden Hawk. Considering its size the Studebaker V8 was an excellent engine with a lot of low-end torque and with some small design changes was able to develop a lot of horsepower

Still, it was supercharged.  Back then, I used a "one third more" more rule, meaning a SC'd 289 was equal to about 390 cid, ora Paxton SC'd MGB to equivalent of 2.4 liters, etc. Studebaker was competitive but just a bit off-beat or something, I guess, so the market just gradually lost interest in them, I guess.  The Avanti and the Lark deserved better attention than they got. 

 

I always wondered what a competitor to the Metropolitan would have looked like from Studebaker.  Wish they had made one!

The Avanti and the Lark deserved better attention than they got. 

 

Both cars failed because of styling. The Lark looked like what it was, a well-built but pedestrian econobox. The Avanti was just plain ugly - the Chrysler Airflow of the 60's. The Avanti has a cult following but, like the Airflow, most people found its styling repulsive. Buyers preferred to spend their money on a Corvette. Both the early 50's Studebakers and the Hawks were infinitely better looking than the Avanti.

Count me in with the Avanti - I always admired them as a young man. Still find the shape a piece of sculpture.

There is a Studebaker Club in Boone, NC and the fella there hosts quite a nice gathering every couple of years. I got to see some really nice examples 7 or 8 years ago.

Lee, I don't follow land speed records and am amazed at your research here. Was quite surprised to hear about the MGA powered racer as I had a couple of MGA's and they were agonizingly slow!

Originally Posted by c.sam:

Count me in with the Avanti - I always admired them as a young man. Still find the shape a piece of sculpture.

There is a Studebaker Club in Boone, NC and the fella there hosts quite a nice gathering every couple of years. I got to see some really nice examples 7 or 8 years ago.

Lee, I don't follow land speed records and am amazed at your research here. Was quite surprised to hear about the MGA powered racer as I had a couple of MGA's and they were agonizingly slow!

c.sam - that is amazing!  I actually have used the term 'agonizingly slow' to describe the MGA.  Nice looking car, nice sounding exhaust, and actually a lot of fun, but boy, they were slow even in by '70s standards: 75 HP or something and 0-60 in about 15 seconds I think.  The MG EX-181 had a almost-ready-to-explode version on the MGA twin cam engine.  I never had one of those - legendary, and notorious, a completely different head than the standard MGA - crossflow, twin-cam.  It made almost 110 HP on high octane fuel it would do 0-60 in about 9 seconds - faster than a Healey at the time and a great performer, but the stock twin cam became notorious because an intake exhaust resonance would make the engine run lean at cruising speeds, burning valves, etc.  For EX-181, MG managed to get 300 HP out of the engine running it on a mixture of really bizarre, super-volatile  fuels including acetone.  Phil Hill drove it to 250 mph or so one year to set and record and Sirling Moss raised that the following year or so later to 257.  I always though those guys were incredibly brave: the car was a rolling bomb: had it rolled or had an accident the fuel would have exploded. 

 

Still, 257 mph in 1957, from 91 cubic inches, wow!

Originally Posted by c.sam:

Lee when I had my first MGA I was in college and my Dad had acquired a Mercedes 190SL which he always admired. As handsome and solid as it was, my 'A' would outrun that 190 easily. What would be a good term to describe 'slower than agonizing'?

"Pathetic?"  Geez, the MB 190 SL looked good, but it was such a loser.  The MGA was a good car it you looked at it in comparison the TC-TD-TF line.  I handled well for the time.  The MB was good looking and well fitted out but not that much of a sport car, really, more of a boulevard tourer.

Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:

The Avanti and the Lark deserved better attention than they got. 

 

Both cars failed because of styling. The Lark looked like what it was, a well-built but pedestrian econobox. The Avanti was just plain ugly - the Chrysler Airflow of the 60's. The Avanti has a cult following but, like the Airflow, most people found its styling repulsive. Buyers preferred to spend their money on a Corvette. Both the early 50's Studebakers and the Hawks were infinitely better looking than the Avanti.

Styling is subjective, but the Avanti was years ahead of everyone else. I drive a new Lincoln MKS and the basic styling is not much different as a 51 year old Avanti. I will admit the original Corvette Sting Ray was a handsome automobile, however the split window coupe was controversial and did not sell well. The next year they replaced the rear window with a single glass. 50 years later the most desirable Sting Ray is the split window coupe. I doubt anyone one who wanted a Corvette would ever consider an Avanti. It was a Studebaker after all.
Studebaker’s trouble wasn’t styling or quality, it was poor management. Their downward slide began in the early ‘50s when they had the best looking cars on the road.

 

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Andrew:

The Studebaker Wagonaire was a h*ll of a good idea, but the roof had some structural problems. GMC recently offered retractable top on one of their SUVs but discontinued it. My guess is that they were not able to solve the same structural problems.

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I bet that Lark convertible is a lot of fun.

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Looking at the photo, the problem is obvious. The thing has less structural integrity than a convertible. I can see no way that you could reinforce that thing to where it handled decently without adding so much weight that it wouldn't get out of its own way. And you still wouldn't get decent handling because although it would (finally) be rigid, the excess weight would add so much inertia that it would be about as agile as a dump truck. 
 
Originally Posted by Richard E:

Andrew:

The Studebaker Wagonaire was a h*ll of a good idea, but the roof had some structural problems. GMC recently offered retractable top on one of their SUVs but discontinued it. My guess is that they were not able to solve the same structural problems.

65_Wagonaire

 

I bet that Lark convertible is a lot of fun.

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