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I sent the following email to Weaver Models since they do ERR upgrades but anyone willing to weigh in with their opinion is more than welcome.

 

Hi,

 
I have an Atlas O 3-rail SD40 with Train America Studios TMCC and Engineer On Board. I operate on Atlas 3-rail track and use Lionel LEGACY to run it with the CAB-2 set to TMCC mode and the EOB programmed at the factory default setting of 32-speed steps just like I do with my other Atlas locomotives.
 
I've had this engine for 2 months and it exhibits the same behavior.
 
Every so often the locomotive will slow down or come to a complete stop on its own. This usually occurs within the first 10 minutes of operation. When it slows down I can advance the throttle on my CAB-2 and the engine runs fine afterwards. When it stops the horn comes on and stays on until I do a reset (AUX1 + 0) on my CAB-2. After waiting about 15 seconds I can advance the throttle and the locomotive starts moving again and runs like it normally would. In fact, I can run the engine for as long as I want and it never does this again.
 
This doesn't always occur. Sometimes I can operate the locomotive and it runs just it it should without slowing down or stopping. If I can get past the first ten minutes of operation then I know it's fine. It's completely random but happens about 50% of the time.
 
This is what I have done:
 
Reset the R2LC several times.
Changed the EOB from 32-speed steps to 128.
Experimented with different values for the EOB parameters like chuff rate and background pulse.
Tried different momentum settings (L,M and H).
Run the engine in different operating modes with my CAB-2 (CAB-1, TMCC and R100).
Adjusted track voltage between 16 and 18 volts with my LEGACY PowerMaster.
Cleaned the track.
Greased the gears and lubed the axles and collector pins. (Checked worm gears and they were adequately greased.)
 
I've turned off the cruise control but didn't run the locomotive long enough to get any idea if the cruise control was the issue. Without cruise the engine is VERY sluggish but I guess that's because I'm used to operating in command mode where I don't have to adjust the throttle on turns and straights like I normally would with a conventional locomotive.
 
I sent the engine back to Atlas and the repair order said, "FIXED CRACKED VIA ON BOARD." Despite the fact that the engine is 8 years old they covered it under warranty. Still, I don't want to contact them again and would rather get another opinion.
 
Does this sound like something an ERR Cruise Commander might remedy?
 
Any help with this matter will be greatly appreciated.
 
Sincerely,
 
Rob Carlucci
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Originally Posted by catnap:

I sent the following email to Weaver Models since they do ERR upgrades but anyone willing to weigh in with their opinion is more than welcome.

 

Hi,

 
I have an Atlas O 3-rail SD40 with Train America Studios TMCC and Engineer On Board. I operate on Atlas 3-rail track and use Lionel LEGACY to run it with the CAB-2 set to TMCC mode and the EOB programmed at the factory default setting of 32-speed steps just like I do with my other Atlas locomotives.
 
I've had this engine for 2 months and it exhibits the same behavior.
 
Every so often the locomotive will slow down or come to a complete stop on its own. This usually occurs within the first 10 minutes of operation. When it slows down I can advance the throttle on my CAB-2 and the engine runs fine afterwards. When it stops the horn comes on and stays on until I do a reset (AUX1 + 0) on my CAB-2. After waiting about 15 seconds I can advance the throttle and the locomotive starts moving again and runs like it normally would. In fact, I can run the engine for as long as I want and it never does this again.
 
This doesn't always occur. Sometimes I can operate the locomotive and it runs just it it should without slowing down or stopping. If I can get past the first ten minutes of operation then I know it's fine. It's completely random but happens about 50% of the time.
 
This is what I have done:
 
Reset the R2LC several times.
Changed the EOB from 32-speed steps to 128.
Experimented with different values for the EOB parameters like chuff rate and background pulse.
Tried different momentum settings (L,M and H).
Run the engine in different operating modes with my CAB-2 (CAB-1, TMCC and R100).
Adjusted track voltage between 16 and 18 volts with my LEGACY PowerMaster.
Cleaned the track.
Greased the gears and lubed the axles and collector pins. (Checked worm gears and they were adequately greased.)
 
I've turned off the cruise control but didn't run the locomotive long enough to get any idea if the cruise control was the issue. Without cruise the engine is VERY sluggish but I guess that's because I'm used to operating in command mode where I don't have to adjust the throttle on turns and straights like I normally would with a conventional locomotive.
 
I sent the engine back to Atlas and the repair order said, "FIXED CRACKED VIA ON BOARD." Despite the fact that the engine is 8 years old they covered it under warranty. Still, I don't want to contact them again and would rather get another opinion.
 
Does this sound like something an ERR Cruise Commander might remedy?
 
Any help with this matter will be greatly appreciated.
 
Sincerely,
 
Rob Carlucci

I'm no expert, but usually if the horn comes on and stays on, there is a problem with the optical sensor or that motor has stopped rotating. Check the tach-strip, some have come loose.  Also adjust the gap between the reader head and the tach strip. 

Mike CT

Last edited by Mike CT

Actually, given these symptoms, I think the first thing I'd do is check the antenna and swap the R2LC with a known good one.  Any R2LC-C08 version could be used as a test, just make sure you reprogram it for the locomotive.

 

Since the Cruise Commander also includes the R2LC, and it doesn't require a tach reader, I'm sure it would fix it.  OTOH, you may have a simple issue that doesn't require spending that much money.  Remember, the sound is also on the EOB board, so you'd have to replace the sound as well.

 

I spoke with Boxcar Bill Saturday night and he recommended swapping the R2LC board from a known functional one.

When the locomotive stops the speed bar graph on my CAB-2 is reset to zero.

He mentioned the ERR upgrade (Cruise Commander + soundboard) and I'm kind of favoring that. I have 4 Atlas engines with the old TAS boards so I'd get all 4 done. Yes, I know that's a lot of money and 3 of the 4 work fine but I think Atlas uses ERR on their newer locomotives plus the sounds will be more prototypical. My SD40s sound like GP9s with the generic RailSounds 4 file that Lionel licensed to them.

I've read positive reviews about the Cruise Commander so I think that's what I'm most likely going to do.

I did run my engine for an hour nonstop this morning and it was alright.

I'm waffling on this. I might decide to buy a "parts" engine and use the R2LC as a swap. After running the engine this afternoon I'm even more convinced it's the receiver board.

 

I ran the engine for a second time today, for about an hour, and it was fine. I did notice that the speed bar graph on the CAB-2 reset it self to zero even though I was in speed step 16 when I last checked. That little red light in the middle of the remote would flash when I tried to "find" the engine. The info. screen couldn't locate the engine no matter how many times I pressed it. It's like there was signal interference.

 

 

Send me an email, a R2LC is pretty cheap, no reason to buy a whole engine to get one.

 

I'm not sure what you're "finding", TMCC/Legacy is a one-way interface, the track signal is just a broadcast.  The red light on the remote indicates communication with the base, but problems there would have nothing to do with the engine.

 

A corollary to your signature...

 

Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!

 

Last edited by gunrunnerjohn

When I tap the info button on my CAB-2 it brings up the road name and road # that I assigned to that locomotive. Sometimes, especially with the aforementioned engine, the info button when pressed displays, "ERROR, PLEASE TRY AGAIN."

 

I will let you know about that R2LC by 11:00 tonight, possibly sooner, as I've already submitted a bid on an Atlas GP35. I placed the minimum bid so I suspect that I will be outbid as the auction nears its conclusion.

 

It's a new engine so I think it will sell for more than $199.95. If not then great, I'll have myself a new locomotive for a pretty cheap price. 

 

I was under the impression that R2LC boards were scarce and would be difficult to find by themselves. Thanks! 

Well, just as I expected, I was outbid. For anyone that's interested, there are 2 brand new Milwaukee Road GP35s that are going to sell for a good price unless there are a flurry of late bids.

 

I use "Auction Sniper" to submit last second bids for items I really want. I didn't care one way or another for this auction so that's why I bid with 5 hours still left on the clock.

 

I just bought the last R2LC-C08 board from Boxcar Bill for $39 which included shipping. He seems to have good prices plus he's in Ohio and I'm in Pennsylvania.

 

I'll try the "cheap" fix before I decide to perform a full upgrade. I'll be happy either way. If this works then I saved a lot of money. If I need an upgrade then I'll have a smoother running, better sounding locomotive.

 

Thanks for all of the advice and insight!

 

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