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Hello all, its me.  I am now a proud owner of a DCS remote system.  I am having trouble getting it to work!  I thought i had the wire wired correctly.  Clearly I do not!  I used to have the DCS mini remote system.  That worked fine.  I figured lets graduate to the big boy DCS.  Okay, so i hooked up my wires from my track to the fixed DCS out port.  I have my transformer hooked up to the AUX power input.  I see the red light.  Yet I try to get the DCS to find a MTH engine it will not.  The track looks dead, my lockouts are dead.  And the DCS cannot acknowledge there is a MTH engine on the tracks!  What am i doing wrong????  I am afraid to wire anything incorrectly for fear of destroying the TIU!  I own the DCS companion and I am trying to understand the owners manual.  I am sure this has all been covered but to tired and frustrated to research.

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JJ ,  hold on a minute,  lose the frustration,  ( walk in another room)

that has got to be successful for enjoyment of you and son!!!

as stated I'm learning,  but we need to get that engine running

rememberin your pics, you run fasttrack correct,   I did the exact same thing,( conversion)  but made my hook up very simple. now, do you have ANY tubular

track with a lockon at all. 

Terry-     EDIT :  IF you want to email  ,  that way this will not keep rising to top

          its in the profile  , 

Last edited by TGP

jj is the engine you are trying to add PS2 or PS3 or is it Protosound 1 or Loco sound

 

JJ from your post do you have anything hooked to the input of Fixed 1 of the Tiu

If you do not then that is your problem you have power to the TIU through its aux input but nothing to the Track this is why you are seeing the light in the TIU but nothing on the Track

you need power to the Fixed input to get power out of the fixed one output even if you are powering the TIU from the Aux power input

 

 

 

Last edited by Bobbie21921

Try connecting your transformer to fixed input 1 and fixed out 1 to track. Red to red, black to black. Red to center rail (power) and black to outer rail (common) on track.

 

You have to power the input to get power at the output. Fixed 1 input will also power the TIU.

 

TIU can also be powered from the Aux power port in addition to having your transformer connected to fixed 1 input (which you have to have to power the track). This is the preferred method to power the TIU if you ever get to the point you are using more than 1 TIU channel.

 

And keep reading the DCS companion, it will all start to make sense after a while. 

Originally Posted by jjmmagoo:

Hello all, its me.  I am now a proud owner of a DCS remote system.  I am having trouble getting it to work!  I thought i had the wire wired correctly.  Clearly I do not!  I used to have the DCS mini remote system.  That worked fine.  I figured lets graduate to the big boy DCS.  Okay, so i hooked up my wires from my track to the fixed DCS out port.  I have my transformer hooked up to the AUX power input.  I see the red light.  Yet I try to get the DCS to find a MTH engine it will not.  The track looks dead, my lockouts are dead.  And the DCS cannot acknowledge there is a MTH engine on the tracks!  What am i doing wrong????  I am afraid to wire anything incorrectly for fear of destroying the TIU!  I own the DCS companion and I am trying to understand the owners manual.  I am sure this has all been covered but to tired and frustrated to research.

Do you have a transformer on the input to Fixed 1?  Aux port only powers the TIU.  To have track power you must have a transformer input on the same # as the output you are using.  So if you are using FIXED 2 to the track, than Fixed 2 input must have a transformer input. 

 

Fixed 1 can power the TIU or AUX port can power the TIU, but Track power comes from the Main inputs, not Aux port.  G

Cut the remote off,  via the top right button, and start over with, GGG, instructions

we are all on same page,  ( forgot) , cut power off to everything and do what is

known as a reboot, when you are sure about your wiring,  cut trans former on,

then cut remote on with engine on track.............

JJ if you are using a Transformer brick with a Barrel Jack then my suggestion would be to contact a train dealer that you deal with and purchase a Barrel Jack Adapter from MTH this allows you to keep your Barrel jack on the end of your transformer for use later if you need it.  The other way would be to cut the barrel jack off and then hook the bare wires up to the Fixed one input of the Tiu however you will have no way of telling which is Red and Which is black doing this without the use of a meter.

 

I also made this same mistake when I hooked mine up for the first few times

 

Originally Posted by TGP:

JJ ,  hold on a minute,  lose the frustration,  ( walk in another room)

that has got to be successful for enjoyment of you and son!!!

as stated I'm learning,  but we need to get that engine running

rememberin your pics, you run fasttrack correct,   I did the exact same thing,( conversion)  but made my hook up very simple. now, do you have ANY tubular

track with a lockon at all. 

Terry-     EDIT :  IF you want to email  ,  that way this will not keep rising to top

          its in the profile  , 

 

Originally Posted by Bobbie21921:

jj is the engine you are trying to add PS2 or PS3 or is it Protosound 1 or Loco sound

 

JJ from your post do you have anything hooked to the input of Fixed 1 of the Tiu

If you do not then that is your problem you have power to the TIU through its aux input but nothing to the Track this is why you are seeing the light in the TIU but nothing on the Track

you need power to the Fixed input to get power out of the fixed one output even if you are powering the TIU from the Aux power input

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by rtr12:

Try connecting your transformer to fixed input 1 and fixed out 1 to track. Red to red, black to black. Red to center rail (power) and black to outer rail (common) on track.

 

You have to power the input to get power at the output. Fixed 1 input will also power the TIU.

 

TIU can also be powered from the Aux power port in addition to having your transformer connected to fixed 1 input (which you have to have to power the track). This is the preferred method to power the TIU if you ever get to the point you are using more than 1 TIU channel.

 

And keep reading the DCS companion, it will all start to make sense after a while. 

 

Originally Posted by GGG:
Originally Posted by jjmmagoo:

Hello all, its me.  I am now a proud owner of a DCS remote system.  I am having trouble getting it to work!  I thought i had the wire wired correctly.  Clearly I do not!  I used to have the DCS mini remote system.  That worked fine.  I figured lets graduate to the big boy DCS.  Okay, so i hooked up my wires from my track to the fixed DCS out port.  I have my transformer hooked up to the AUX power input.  I see the red light.  Yet I try to get the DCS to find a MTH engine it will not.  The track looks dead, my lockouts are dead.  And the DCS cannot acknowledge there is a MTH engine on the tracks!  What am i doing wrong????  I am afraid to wire anything incorrectly for fear of destroying the TIU!  I own the DCS companion and I am trying to understand the owners manual.  I am sure this has all been covered but to tired and frustrated to research.

Do you have a transformer on the input to Fixed 1?  Aux port only powers the TIU.  To have track power you must have a transformer input on the same # as the output you are using.  So if you are using FIXED 2 to the track, than Fixed 2 input must have a transformer input. 

 

Fixed 1 can power the TIU or AUX port can power the TIU, but Track power comes from the Main inputs, not Aux port.  G

 

Originally Posted by Bobbie21921:

JJ if you are using a Transformer brick with a Barrel Jack then my suggestion would be to contact a train dealer that you deal with and purchase a Barrel Jack Adapter from MTH this allows you to keep your Barrel jack on the end of your transformer for use later if you need it.  The other way would be to cut the barrel jack off and then hook the bare wires up to the Fixed one input of the Tiu however you will have no way of telling which is Red and Which is black doing this without the use of a meter.

 

I also made this same mistake when I hooked mine up for the first few times

 

Ok, TGP, i am running real track.

 

Bobbie21921, i was trying to start up a PS3 locomotive.  I do own a PS2 Locomotive.  Is running a PS3 going to be a problem?  

 

GGG, I thought that might be the problem!  The directions make it seem like you can use that!

 

Bobbie21921  Going on amazon now!  

 

 

Thank you everyone for your help!  I thought it would be a simple hookup.  I didn't know i would need other items to purchase!

JJ Any Protosound 2 or 3 ;ocomotive will work fine with the full DCS system

Just make sure you power your inputs

just remember if you are going to use the variable channels then you also need to power the TIU seperately unless there is power to the Fixed one Input which will power both the the TIU and the Track. as long as there is power to the Fixed one input and track connected to Fixed one out then all is good and you will be fine just make sure you power everything off before you go changing the wiring around to get it connected right

let us know how it comes out

 

Originally Posted by Bobbie21921:

JJ Any Protosound 2 or 3 ;ocomotive will work fine with the full DCS system

Just make sure you power your inputs

just remember if you are going to use the variable channels then you also need to power the TIU seperately unless there is power to the Fixed one Input which will power both the the TIU and the Track. as long as there is power to the Fixed one input and track connected to Fixed one out then all is good and you will be fine just make sure you power everything off before you go changing the wiring around to get it connected right

let us know how it comes out

 

Thank you for all your help!  Looking forward to using this!  I purchased the wire.  MTH 50-1017 to help out.  I had no idea!  

 

I will scream high from the mountains when this is all set up!

Okay, i got it to work.  I have the controller for the z-1000 brick connected to the tiu.  It worked.  I have added an engine and it worked flawlessly.  The only issue is I have another engine that i added.  The only thing is it doesn't move?  It is registered, the remote controls the sound, the lights, everything but it won't move.  Any thoughts????

Glad to hear you are running, Welcome to the magic of DCS:

And as you found, Yes, with the control set to max volts the Z-1000 can be in line.

For the second engine;

Try a Function Reset, if no help, A factory Reset.

Factory Reset will remove it from the remote and you have to add it back in.

I recommend you cycle power off for at least 30 seconds after each reset for best effect.

Originally Posted by jjmmagoo:

Okay, i got it to work.  I have the controller for the z-1000 brick connected to the tiu.  It worked.  I have added an engine and it worked flawlessly.  The only issue is I have another engine that i added.  The only thing is it doesn't move?  It is registered, the remote controls the sound, the lights, everything but it won't move.  Any thoughts????

Is it the PS-2 or the PS-3 engine? I would do the reset and read as mentioned.  But if still not working, I would temporarily remove the TIU and use the Z-1000 direct.  Does it work in conventional?  We need to eliminate the engine as an issue.  G

Well, all i have to say is this DCS is so cool!  The look of my sons face when i had two engines basically running at the same time was priceless.

 

Thank You everyone who helped!  I am sure there will be many more questions coming but right now very content to learning this on the go.

 

I should also add, that once i get the cable I will no longer use the transformer controller for the TIU.  I was reading the directions and it clearly states NOT to do what I am doing.  So hopefully I will not destroy the thing.

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I originally started this journey when my oldest son was born.  He is obsessed with Start Wars at the moment.  My younger son enjoys the trains.  He likes anything that is big and diesel.  Not going to lie, this originally started for my kids, now I am enjoying it as much if not more!!!  My little guy really enjoys it BUT he likes to go really fast which on my small layout is not a good idea.  Looking forward to figuring out the speed control on the DCS.  Thank everybody for your kind words and encouragement.

JJ,

   Before you frustrate yourself further go get Barry's book, The DCS O Gauge Companion and the OGR Video Guide to DCS, both are fantastic educational info on running DCS.  Also if you purchased your DCS used you made a mistake, unless you purchased from one of the Techs here on the OGR sight, that will fully stand behind the DCS unit.  Also always power your TIU with the Radio Shack 18/24V AC power supply for best running results.

PCRR/Dave

 

Ultimate DCS education for you and your son.

Last edited by Pine Creek Railroad
So don't use the Z1000?  I have the Z500 brick but need the cable that connects from the brick to the TIU.  The cable is on order.  Don't know when I will be getting it though.
 
Pine Creek, I have the book.  Been reading it.  Very informative.  Clearly i need to reed more.
 
 
 
Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:

JJ,

   Before you frustrate yourself further go get Barry's book, The DCS O Gauge Companion and the OGR Video Guide to DCS, both are fantastic educational info on running DCS.  Also if you purchased your DCS used you made a mistake, unless you purchased from one of the Techs here on the OGR sight, that will fully stand behind the DCS unit.  Also always power your TIU with the Radio Shack 18/24V AC power supply for best running results.

PCRR/Dave

 

Ultimate DCS education for you and your son.

 

Originally Posted by Doug-Sr:

the radio shack is one also if you have a mth 50w brick it works well and is also recommednded by mikes

 

JJ stay with what you have working now

The Z-1000 is fine and you should use it I do and have had no problems at all

 

Follow your original plan that when the Barrel jack connector comes in use it instead of using your Z-1000 Head unit and hook the brick to the Fixed 1 input

 

I believe what they are talking about is using a wall wart or the Z-500 to power the TIU seperately which is what you did at first

 

Dont complicate things for yourself at this time you have it working and you guys are learning the DCS Set up and controls. 

 

In my set up I have a Z-750 plugged into the Aux Power Port powering the TIU as well as 4 Z-1000 Bricks powering the inputs to the Track so I have 5 Transformers on my TIU.

 

Last edited by Bobbie21921
Thank you for the clarification.  Everybody has been very kind and informative!  Thank you!!!
 
Originally Posted by Bobbie21921:

Guys check back into the earlier posts

Lets not confuse him He just got things working

 

 

Originally Posted by Bobbie21921:

JJ stay with what you have working now

The Z-1000 is fine and you should use it I do and have had no problems at all

 

Follow your original plan that when the Barrel jack connector comes in use it instead of using your Z-1000 Head unit and hook the brick to the Fixed 1 input

 

I believe what they are talking about is using a wall wart or the Z-500 to power the TIU seperately which is what you did at first

 

Dont complicate things for yourself at this time you have it working and you guys are learning the DCS Set up and controls. 

 

In my set up I have a Z-750 plugged into the Aux Power Port powering the TIU as well as 4 Z-1000 Bricks powering the inputs to the Track so I have 5 Transformers on my TIU.

 

 

Pretty good so, far, 

1) the radio shack power supply,  --- If you are powering from the transformer

    ( using Fixed 1), what useful need or further expansion does this help,

     I can get 1 tonight,  ..................I dont have a problem if good thing to do!!

          and

2) Also, #2 track I would like to use has a sound button  (5906), attached:

    do I run a dedicated wire from Transformer to Tiu,  ..........  hooked up to

    that sound button last night while i was little sleepy,  ( that does not work)

Jjmagoo;

Your MTH bricks all have good breakers in them.

But No, not really such a thing as too much power, the trains will pull the current they need and as long as the breakers are good any shorts will shut things down.

Running any power system at less than 80% of load will make it last a lot longer.

Some power systems need a minimum load to work well, Not usually a problem with trains.

Breaker popping happens often on the carpet central with pets or babies derailing cars. I just shut down, re-rail the train, reset the breaker and re-start.

 

But hey, My 6 month old grand-daughter really likes the train, so if she derails it, I'll fix it and go again. But for the most part she doesn't grab the trains so it's All Good.

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