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Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:

Several people have mentioned paint blistering. Paint blistering unaccompanied by other symptoms is not necessarily a sign that the underlying metal is deteriorating. It's more likely bad surface preparation at the factory. If the zinc is not properly cleaned, or if they don't wait long enough after casting, you can get all kinds of flaws in the paint. The MTH tinplate Hiawathas from around 2001 are notorious for this. I've got two of them, both have scaly, irregular looking paint, and neither shows the least sign of zinc rot. The problem was a lack of surface preparation. 

That's very true and likely the same problem with the S2 tender shells.If it were a casting problem you would see cracks,scabs and slivers. I didn't see these when new since I wasn't into trains then and haven't examined many.Were the paint flaws noticeable when released or shortly after? Do they defects resemble the surface of an orange? I may have to pull ASTM B86-11 (Worldwide standard for Zinc and Zinc aluminum castings)and look at what it says about surface preperation for painting and coating. This spec. tells you everything you would ever want to know about Zamak die casting.

 

Ricky

 

Storage issues can lead to acceleration of zinc pest.  They don't cause it and if the material was contaminated or cast improperly nothing will stop this from happening.

 

This doesn't affect just toy trains.  In the 50's and 60's car trim parts were often made of chrome plate ZAMAC castings and were subject to similar failings.

 

To avoid problems

 

start with quality material that you inspect/test for impurities.

cast the material at the proper temp/pressure

DO NOT recycle left over material without testing/reprocessing to ensure purity/proper alloy  properties.

Originally Posted by lehighline:

"Im not aware of post war "made in the US" Flyer and Lionel trains having this problem."

 

I am aware of one and only one instance: I recently found a boxed Lionel microscope from the science series that was produced in the early to mid 1960s that had the diecast frame totally involved with zinc pest.  I was quite surprised to find it this way, as I had never seen nor heard of one with the problem. The thing was a complete write off.

 

Joseywales: My trains are stored wherever I can find unclaimed space. Usually either the attic storage room or the basement. Neither are truely climate controled, although the basement probably has a more even temperature and is generally on the warm side due to the furnace (summer/winter hookup). It is also dry, as I have either concrete side walks or another building immediately adjacent to my house.

 

Chris

LVHR

that can be a proublem with storing trains in attic and basement...both areas have moister and condisation...=can cause corosion..consent cold and hot isnt good for trains and the elctronics ..older stuff that was made in the US was made with better quality metals..anything made in china Korea and japan ,there metal isnt made with good quality metals.no one to inspect the quality of the metals or the prosses..Back in the early 70's cars were made from jap steal and they rusted out fast because of the quality of there metals.

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