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I've got some postwar diesels with chrome plated battery retainers and others with a dull gray plating. Two of my 2245s have one of each. Just curious - which is original (or maybe both were depending on year)?

 

Similar question on the electric 'bike' horns. I've seen a number of variations and was wondering what the history is on these variations. I've got 2245s with Lionel horns where the mounting holes are notched (easier to remove). I've got another F3 dual motor with a slightly different horn that is mounted with holes (have to completely remove the mounting screws). My Alco 2023 has a 'Delta' branded horn which may be a service replacement.

 

What is the history of the variations of electric horns in diesels?

 

What are some recommendations for replacements? (Lionel or aftermarket brand)

 

Thanks!

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Lionel purchased horns from Delta till around 1954 when they started making horns in house. I believe for example the same horn had a 2321 part number in 1954 then in 1955 the same horn had a 2367 number. Another example is the GG-1. in 1950 the 2330 horn was Delta made. in 1955 when the GG-1 returned the only difference was the manufacture of the horn, hence the number changed to 2340.

My 2023 UP Alco has a 'Delta' horn. So that sounds like it's OEM.

 

I took it off to try it (it wasn't hooked up and my 2023's battery holder is missing). After a few tweaks of the adjustment screw it worked. MUCH LOUDER than the Lionel branded horns in my F3s which (even w/ adjustment) sound anemic compared to the Delta. But the Delta is a bit too shrill and piercing. The Lionel horns in my F3s - while not very loud almost (and I repeat almost) kinda sort sound a little like a horn.

 

THanks for the response - I'll have to source a battery holder and get the horn in this 2023 going again.

I have 2 2023s that I received new for Christmases in '50 &'51.  Both have Delta horns.  When I purchased my house in '78, I had to install 2 smoke detectors, both of which had Delta horns.  The smoke detectors have circuit board mounts, but I saved them anyway when I replaced the smoke detectors.  So, I don't know if Delta is still in business now, but they were around in 1978.  Ed G

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