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In another post it was discussed about how the Des Plaines Hobbies container well cars don't cotton to r20 curves without some surgery. That made me hesitate to buy any as I only run r20 curves on my layout and can't (won't) change it.

I attempted to make a crude (very crude) mock up of the car with scrap wood.

My goal was to see if the DEP car could

1. negotiate r20 curves and

2. Just how long could a car be and still turn an r20 even if it looked silly doing it.

The first car I made duplicated the info provided on the distance between truck centers which was 10 5/8 inches. I added the 48' "well" portion and sure enough the highrail truck wheels hit the well. So I moved the trucks out 1/4 inch on each end to clear the wells. Now the spacing was 11 1/8" center to center on the trucks. The car ran fine around r20 curves:

The problem was when I moved the trucks further out the coupler shank became too long when compared to the SHS flatcar I was basing my measurements on. So I made a longer car base and added a less thick "well" portion that would now ride 3/16" above the rails:

three sixteenths above rail

This car was also able to easily run an r20 curve and the coupler matched the SHS flatcar. Here's the data I measured on this car:

Well car info 1

Well car info 2

So this mock-up now represents a 70' car with the truck centers 1" from either end of the car. I know that low hanging steps/stirrups and other junk will have to be accounted for. More than likely body mounted highrail couplers would be a good solution and would allow trucks to swing more freely on tight curves. The car overhang on the inside of a curve is pretty drastic and one would have to be mindful of car sideswipes on adjoining tracks. But this little exercise gives me hope that American Flyer/S gauge highrail manufacturers might be able to provide l-o-n-g-e-r cars for us of a more modern flavor with some dimensional tinkering.

The trucks easily clear the 48 foot wells on my mock-up so perhaps the manufacturers might consider such an adjustment:

wheel clearance

I'll keep poking around with this until I find the maximum length car that can negotiate r20 curves. I've decided to now purchase one of the DEP cars and "scrub up" for surgery.

Mark

PS I just realized I have to cut off a portion of the lower container to give the illusion that it is "nested" in the well. 

I have now done just that with the result that the car with 2 containers now stands 20 feet (3 3/4")above the railhead.

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Add some paint and your new TOFC will be good to go!

Fortunately you are not using Gilbert track and turnouts. At 11 1/8" the sides of the car will hit the housings on the Gilbert turnouts. I did not think the appearance of the inside overhang of the mock up was objectionable. Certainly no worse than the appearance of the Challengers and BigBoy on R20".

Mark,

When you get the Husky Stack cars you'll find that you have to experiment a bit with which car you have before and after the Stack car. The Husky Stack cars are about the same length as the Heavyweight passenger cars from AM and AF but those cars have shorter wheelbases with longer coupler shanks.  The end result is that the Husky Stacks need more clearance to the inside of a curve and the passenger cars need more clearance on the outside of a curve. Plus passenger cars are almost always run as a set so ALL the cars have the same length. With a Husky Stack the cars before and after are usually shorter and the Stack may "yank" the shorter car right off the track.

I put a piece of wood in the "well" to raise the container above the curve of the wheel. I actually like the containers to sit up a bit so you see more of the logo on the side. Plus, if you cut the container that container cannot be used as the "top" of a pair.

I can't tell you how well the Husky Stacks perform on 20" curves.  I use 25" and 30" S-Trax on my layout.

Craig

It's not so much the length of the car is the issue, it's what interferes with the trucks, couplers and overhang. 

One can theoretically build a 24" long car with 22" truck centers and it will negotiate R20 curves as long as nothing interferes with the trucks and couplers.  The DPH well car clearly has truck and coupler interference issues more than anything else.

Overhang is another thing.  I did an experiment a year or so ago.  The AM Budd car (9-1/8" truck centers) will negotiate an R20 curve:

R20 4

However they will scrape against the switch lamp housing of the SHS S-Trax switch:

R20 6

I suspect the same would occur with the Lionel R20 S Fastrack switch seeing it's a virtual clone of the SHS switch.  I can't say about the Gilbert switch, don't have any.  In my mind, removing the illuminated switch stand is not an option and messing with the truck centers is definitely out. 

If I had a permanent layout using S-Trax I would either have to ban AM Budd's from using the diverging route or use different switches.

Rusty

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